Devils 2017-18 team discussion (player news and notes) III

[Bcap88]

What does this even mean?

Just saying our next captain needs to be a skilled guy I.e. hall and palmieri not some guy who is on the decline which we are forced to keep in the lineup nightly.

The only reason Salvador played as long as he did was because he was placed with the C. I envision the same thing for Greene. You think he’s going to be serviceable in the next few yeaes? Probably not, but he will certainly be in the lineup because of that letter on his chest

 

[Emperoreddy]

Just saying our next captain needs to be a skilled guy I.e. hall and palmieri not some guy who is on the decline which we are forced to keep in the lineup nightly.

The only reason Salvador played as long as he did was because he was placed with the C. I envision the same thing for Greene. You think he’s going to be serviceable in the next few yeaes? Probably not, but he will certainly be in the lineup because of that letter on his chest

Because skill guys don’t decline either?

 

[JimEIV]

What does this even mean?

Not to mention that Greene was named captain under Shero/Hynes.

 

[Bcap88]

Because skill guys don’t decline either?

As opposed to giving the letter to mid thirties defensemen who eat a ton of minutes. Andy is going to be in the lineup as long as his contract is valid. When he shouldn’t, he already looks like a dumpster fire this year. Two years down the road when when he is still playing 18-20 minutes a game at the age of 37 looking like Girardi, the only reason he will still be in the lineup at that point is because of that letter.

 

[Ripshot 43]

This ruined that song for me forever, just like "Hit me with your pet shark," so I need to pay it forward.

Is there a link to a song? I love parodies!

 

[Bcap88]

Not to mention that Greene was named captain under Shero/Hynes.

By default, he was the third longest tenured devil. It was either him, elias or zajac. I’m sure Lou had an input before he left since Shero/Hynes has no familiarity with the players at all

 

[JimEIV]

By default, he was the third longest tenured devil. It was either him, elias or zajac. I’m sure Lou had an input before he left since Shero/Hynes has no familiarity with the players at all

Lou was in Toronto when Andy Greene was named captain. The captain wasn't named until a day before the season started if I recall correctly. The organization had all summer, training camp and preseason without Lou around to make a that decision. Lou had absolutely nothing to do with it.

Edit:
Lou was named Toronto GM July 23 -. Andy Greene was named captain October 9th.

And Shero was for all intents and purposes running the organization since May of that year.

 

[Darkauron]

This ruined that song for me forever, just like "Hit me with your pet shark," so I need to pay it forward.

Get out.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

correct me if I am wrong but didnt Greene get the captaincy under Shero....?

 

[Bcap88]

Lou was in Toronto when Andy Greene was named captain. The captain wasn't named until a day before the season started if I recall correctly. The organization had all summer, training camp and preseason without Lou around to make a that decision. Lou had absolutely nothing to do with it.

Edit:
Lou was named Toronto GM July 23 -. Andy Greene was named captain October 9th.

And Shero was for intents and purposes running the organization since June of that year.

Debatable, Lou had input. Just as technically Kalinan was shero’s first signing but later on Shero admitted it to being Lou’s before he left

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Kalinin signed in May.

GReene was named captain in October.

the two arent really comparable.

 

[JimEIV]

Debatable, Lou had input. Just as technically Kalinan was shero’s first signing but later on Shero admitted it to being Lou’s before he left

No not debatable... Lou had nothing to do with the decision.

Kalinin was signed 25 days after Shero was named GM... obviously Lou's scouts did that. .Greene was named 5 months after Shero was named GM.

 

[Bleedred]

I would bet he’s played fewer 3 on 3 minutes than most everyone else that’s named on that list. Most of those names are starters or 1a/1b guys. He’s the guy on that list that sticks out to me as a pure backup. Maybe Darling also, for the majority of that time. Even Greiss was the Isles starter last year and has been the 1b the other two years. Smaller sample size.

 

[JrFischer54]

I don’t believe lou had a hand in it but I do think Greene was the best option out of a bunch of bad choices.

 

[glenwo2]

Pretty hilarious that everyone's talking about the offsides rule now that it happened to a Canadian team... not like we've been taking it in the rear by the refs for the last 5 games or anything.

If it leads to a rule change, I won't sweat it.

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I wonder if there's an actual mask you can buy that's like that. lol

 

[Bleedred]

I wonder if there's an actual mask you can buy that's like that. lol

Apparently there is haha.

 

[Bleedred]

I don’t believe lou had a hand in it but I do think Greene was the best option out of a bunch of bad choices.

He was the only choice, outside of Zajac and maybe Henrique. Did you really want Henrique with the C? Zajac has been subject to the same criticism around here (especially from me during first 20 games he played), so would you have really given it to him instead?

 

[Bleedred]

Greene has become the new Zajac on this board. Some of this criticism of him is just ridiculous. People unfairly compare him to what he was, but he's still a good second-pairing defender.

He's not the same defender he once was, but he still is a key part of the PK and plays tough minutes. Those aren't the type of roles you can throw anybody in.

And lastly, a good 10 game stretch doesn't mean Mueller is better than Greene. That's just foolish.

I would completely agree with you on this if you didn't try to sell that he was still a good second pairing defenseman. Good bottom pairing guy? I definitely think he could be. Serviceable or decent second pairing defender? Maybe. It's a possibility. Moore and Vatanen have been the second pairing for the last little while and Vatanen is certainly better than current Greene. Is Moore? This year he's been better, I just don't really think the Moore that we've seen this year is what Moore really is right now. I could see him coughing another dud next year, wherever he plays.

Moore and Vatanen have been a great pairing, outside of their first couple games, where they looked like a trainwreck when using the eye test.

 

[RSeen]

Buying out Greene is simply stupid and would be very poor asset management.

I would rather retain 50% of his salary and trade him and get a return rather than just buy him out. A team like Toronto, Washington , Winnipeg, etc would end up overpaying for a player like Greene for only 50% of his current salary.

Greene hasn't been amazing, but he's still a solid Top 4 D-Man in the league.

I don't know about solid. I think he can play a 2nd pair role, but he would be a below average top 4 Dman without a doubt.

 

[NJDevs26]

I don't know why this myth gets perpetuated that you can only have skill forwards be the C. God forbid we gave it to Kovalchuk on that basis after Parise left lol (and one year after he was named C by the way). Elias only lasted a year with it - granted, not really his fault - and Langenbrunner declined while he was the C too. The greatest captain in team history only crept over 30 points once after 1994 and never had double-digit goals again after his monster season in '93-94.

The C is sometimes your best player by default (and that doesn't always work well) but usually who the room sees as the best leader. Sometimes it happens to be your best player.

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

Apparently there is haha.

Saw heaps of them on vacation in Tokyo

 

[Emperoreddy]

Moore would absolutely get trucked if he got Greene’s zone starts and matchups on top of his PK minutes.

He has the brain of a potato. Vats is a pointless comparison as he plays on the right side, not the left.

Moore, Mueller, and Butcher are not better options then Greene right now.

 

[Emperoreddy]

I don't know why this myth gets perpetuated that you can only have skill forwards be the C. God forbid we gave it to Kovalchuk on that basis after Parise left lol (and one year after he was named C by the way). Elias only lasted a year with it - granted, not really his fault - and Langenbrunner declined while he was the C too. The greatest captain in team history only crept over 30 points once after 1994.

The staff gave Greene the C because they felt like he deserved it the most. It was also a move nearly the entire board agreed with.

The C isn’t what is keeping Greene in the line up either. He is in the lineup every night because the staff trusts him 1000%.

 

[NJDevs26]

The staff gave Greene the C because they felt like he deserved it the most. It was also a move nearly the entire board agreed with.

The C isn’t what is keeping Greene in the line up either. He is in the lineup every night because the staff trusts him 1000%.

That's another misnomer too. It's a big leap to go from 'first pairing number one D' to 'buyout/healthy scratch'. Before you can even conceive of the latter, Greene's gotta get demoted down to the second/third pairing first.

 

[JimEIV]

He was the only choice, outside of Zajac and maybe Henrique. Did you really want Henrique with the C? Zajac has been subject to the same criticism around here (especially from me during first 20 games he played), so would you have really given it to him instead?

Henrique was a real consideration.