News Article: Daly on transparency of the draft lottery

[Sabretooth]

there is an extra 1. If it is drawn, there is a redraw.

 

[CatsforReinhart]

There's 1001 possible combinations that can come out of that system, and the listed combinations that each team get add up to 1000. That means there's one more combination out there that won't be claimed by a team.

It would be quite easy to eliminate one combination and assign the rest.

 

[misterchainsaw]

there is an extra 1. If it is drawn, there is a redraw.

I want to live in the universe where they redraw the combination that can't be claimed infinitely...or at least for a couple of hours

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

There's 1001 possible combinations that can come out of that system, and the listed combinations that each team get add up to 1000. That means there's one more combination out there that won't be claimed by a team.

You've seen the list?

 

[misterchainsaw]

You've seen the list?

The article posted listed how many combinations each team gets...that list added up to 1000 combinations.

EDIT: None of the percentages would be exactly right either, were there 1001 winning combinations. A team could never have exactly a 20% chance to win. It could be 19.98%. Yeah, that's close, and it may be splitting hairs, but considering those % are in the leagues bylaws and all, it'd probably be a good idea to adhere to them. And the team that got the extra combination point would be a whole tenth of a percentage point higher.

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

The article posted listed how many combinations each team gets...that list added up to 1000 combinations.

EDIT: None of the percentages would be exactly right either, were there 1001 winning combinations. A team could never have exactly a 20% chance to win. It could be 19.98%. Yeah, that's close, and it may be splitting hairs, but considering those % are in the leagues bylaws and all, it'd probably be a good idea to adhere to them.

Can you link the article please?

 

[misterchainsaw]

Can you link the article please?

It's literally on the last page and was what started the conversation, but ok.

http://www.nj.com/flyers/index.ssf/2...televisio.html

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

It's literally on the last page and was what started the conversation, but ok.

http://www.nj.com/flyers/index.ssf/2...televisio.html

Thanks I completely overlooked it.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

Would fans rather see presentation like what I posted earlier - a slow number draw that takes a few minutes between draws, which reveals the winner after 4-5 minutes, or one draw done with 200 balls, Buffalo with 40, Arizona with 27, Edmonton with 23, etc so that it's a quick decision?

Slow number combination draw?

Quick one-ball winner?

 

[CatsforReinhart]

When is the winner announced? Saturday before the Pittsburgh game?

 

[zbubble]

When is the winner announced? Saturday before the Pittsburgh game?

It's supposed to be at 8pm.

 

[Sabretooth]

The article posted listed how many combinations each team gets...that list added up to 1000 combinations.

EDIT: None of the percentages would be exactly right either, were there 1001 winning combinations. A team could never have exactly a 20% chance to win. It could be 19.98%. Yeah, that's close, and it may be splitting hairs, but considering those % are in the leagues bylaws and all, it'd probably be a good idea to adhere to them. And the team that got the extra combination point would be a whole tenth of a percentage point higher.

That's not exactly right...

It is actually the odds of winning the first draw, plus the odds of winning the 2nd draw, plus the odds of winning the 3rd draw, plus etc etc forever. This is represented by the following:

P= 200/1001 + 200/1001^2 + 200/1001^3 + 200/1001^4 + ...

And the sum of that infinite series is 20%.

 

[MacOfNiagara]

It's not one number. It's read as 9-11-13-14, which would be different from 13-14-11-9.

The NHL stated that the order of the numbers drawn does not matter.

 

[misterchainsaw]

That's not exactly right...

It is actually the odds of winning the first draw, plus the odds of winning the 2nd draw, plus the odds of winning the 3rd draw, plus etc etc forever. This is represented by the following:

P= 200/1001 + 200/1001^2 + 200/1001^3 + 200/1001^4 + ...

And the sum of that infinite series is 20%.

I was saying if they assigned all 1001 combinations to the teams.

If they assign only 1000 of the 1001, the given NHL odds are correct (the sum of your infinite series is in fact 20.0% for Buffalo), but they run the (admittedly infinitesimally small) risk of having to keep redoing the draw when they pick the same unclaimed combination over and over again...which is why I wonder why they don't just draw three numbers from 0 to 9 (in different machines so numbers can repeat...or just throw the ball back in before drawing again), and make order matter (so you're basically drawing a 3 digit number from 000 to 999, of which there are exactly 1000). I don't get why they need to make this complicated, and insert a dead combination in the process.

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

The NHL stated that the order of the numbers drawn does not matter.

I'm aware it has since been corrected.

 

[LottoPlease]

Would fans rather see presentation like what I posted earlier - a slow number draw that takes a few minutes between draws, which reveals the winner after 4-5 minutes, or one draw done with 200 balls, Buffalo with 40, Arizona with 27, Edmonton with 23, etc so that it's a quick decision?

Slow number combination draw?

Quick one-ball winner?

I always assumed it was more of a raffle system with balls marked for each team, not numbered combinations...
Given that team logos vary in size and shape, the amount of ink used to mark each ball would also vary, thus varying the weight of each team's respective balls. How can we ensure the balls are truly equal? Labeling balls by 3 letter team designation would have the same effect.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

I always assumed it was more of a raffle system with balls marked for each team, not numbered combinations...
Given that team logos vary in size and shape, the amount of ink used to mark each ball would also vary, thus varying the weight of each team's respective balls. How can we ensure the balls are truly equal? Labeling balls by 3 letter team designation would have the same effect.

I'm sure there are easy enough ways to keep the balls weighted the same. How are the balls weighted now in the current system, since 14 would seem to need more ink than 1?

 

[Whammer]

I finally found 2013's Draft lottery video. Doesnt show what teams get what number combos, but shows the process and the teams percentages behind Bettman.

2013 Draft Lottery Machine

 

[SundherDome]

i finally found 2013's draft lottery video. Doesnt show what teams get what number combos, but shows the process and the teams percentages behind bettman.

2013 draft lottery machine

risto ♡

 

[RiotAct]

So is the results show going to be on any other networks besides TSN?

 

[sjci]

So is the results show going to be on any other networks besides TSN?

Pretty sure NBC is showing it.

 

[RiotAct]

Number assignments to be posted on NHL.com tomorrow, followed of course by the actual drawing on Saturday.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=762892

 

[cardiffgiant]

OMG, getting so close...

 

[VanIslander]

... it isn't interesting television.

^&*^**%&$$*_)__++$$#@#$@ that!

Watching the balls drop on a million dollar lottery or a 1st overall pick is hugely interesting.

In contrast,... the opening an envelope BORE of recent drafts has been hard to stomach!!!!!!!!!!!

Propoganda 101: If you are going to lie make it a big lie, 'cuz it's easier to believe.

 

[SabreBlood]

Is it really hard to believe one of the four teams with the greatest odds won the lottery?

Isn't it odd that since 2005, three generational talents (Crosby, McDavid, Eichel) have been available at the top of two drafts, and prior to both of those drafts, the NHL has changed the lottery rules? Why might that be?