News Article: Confidence in the Front Office

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From The Athletic. The Rangers dropped from #5 last year to #23 this year

Have your say: Surveying fan confidence in each NHL team’s front office, 2021 edition – The Athletic

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[Leetch3]

aren't the public and fans the same?

 

[Tawnos]

I haven't seen much of anything that Drury's done that wasn't in the plan for JD/JG for this off-season.

 

[Inferno]

aren't the public and fans the same?

No you have 2 sheets to fill out..one as a fan of your team for your team...or as a fan of another for every team.

 

[Raspewtin]

I dislike most of Drury's moves on their own (even if I understand what they're trying to do) but a lot of the pain and inflexibility coming our way is from contracts Gorton inked. I think, with the benefit of hindsight, he was massively overrated.

I haven't seen much of anything that Drury's done that wasn't in the plan for JD/JG for this off-season.

listen I have not liked Drury's tenure here, and I am not happy with how it's gone so far, but JG would've happily made these exact moves, and probably even worse ones.

He's discussed as some visionary who'd never do this, meanwhile he's willingly acquired Adam McQuaid, Cody McLeod, Micheal Haley, and a bunch other crap in the name of character and grit. At least Drury got f***ing NHL Players.

 

[cheech70]

sounds like hf

 

[Gluten Free Breadman]

I haven't seen much of anything that Drury's done that wasn't in the plan for JD/JG for this off-season.

So the plan was always overpaying free agents and losing trades day 1?

 

[Tawnos]

listen I have not liked Drury's tenure here, and I am not happy with how it's gone so far, but JG would've happily made these exact moves, and probably even worse ones.

He's discussed as some visionary who'd never do this, meanwhile he's willingly acquired Adam McQuaid, Cody McLeod, Micheal Haley, and a bunch other crap in the name of character and grit. At least Drury got f***ing NHL Players.

I think the only one of all of these things that might have gone *slightly* differently is the return on the Buchnevich trade. The winger trade market absolutely sucked for sellers this off-season, but Gorton maybe negotiates it up to a 1st or gets an additional 3rd or something like that. Not really a big difference.

You and I will always disagree on the utility of the types of players they brought it, but the blueprint is the same. After all, Drury was trained for this position by Gorton himself.

 

[Tawnos]

So the plan was always overpaying free agents and losing trades day 1?

If you're going to be in the free agency market, which I believe Gorton would have, you're going to overpay. That's what it means to be in that market.

 

[IDvsEGO]

The big question about drury vs gorton is would gorton have kept quinn? When gorton was fired the surprise was we all considered the season a success because the team finished where we wanted them to (playoffs were not a reasonable expectation), and alot of the conversation was that this might've earned quinn another year even ignoring the fact that he clearly does not really develop high end talent well.

Drury on the other hand signed the coach we wanted/expected, and the AGM role was filled with someone we were happy to see.

The lindgren signing was probably fully negotiated by gorton so drury doesn't get that one.

I didnt fill that survey out because at the moment its incomplete. We're less than 4 months into a drury tenure and you need more than that to evaluate a GM.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Can’t imagine why when your owner throws a temper tantrum and fires the front office on a whim

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

The big question about drury vs gorton is would gorton have kept quinn? When gorton was fired the surprise was we all considered the season a success because the team finished where we wanted them to (playoffs were not a reasonable expectation), and alot of the conversation was that this might've earned quinn another year even ignoring the fact that he clearly does not really develop high end talent well.

I don't know if Quinn would have gotten another year. Certainly the change in the FO improved the chances that Quinn was not going to be retained.

Drury on the other hand signed the coach we wanted/expected, and the AGM role was filled with someone we were happy to see.

Is this a positive? It's not the GM's job to get a coach the fans want. It's his job to get the coach that's best for the job. That might be the same person in this case. My biggest issue with the process is there really were only two candidates that came to light: Gallant and Tocchet. So was that really doing a deep dive. And ultimately, Gallant was a bit like AV when they signed him: a seemingly obvious and easy pick.

 

[Gluten Free Breadman]

If you're going to be in the free agency market, which I believe Gorton would have, you're going to overpay. That's what it means to be in that market.

You're definitely right about that. My facetiousness probably required a .

If we isolate every move that Drury made, they mostly look bad. But if we take context into account, then they don't look bad at all:

• Buch trade looks bad but then look at the most comparable being Reinhart and it looks fine. The trade market was f***ed. Still is. look at what the Vezina winning goalie got in a trade, nothing.
• Goodrow signing seems overpriced for a 3rd liner, but then you realize he was actually playing second line minutes on a Stanley cup winning stacked TBL team and it looks pretty good actually.
• Reaves signing looks like a reaction to Tom Wilson injuring our star player. Like, okay, this is a good thing. Panarin and other players would probably be pissed if we didn't get an answer.
• Nemeth was bad in the playoffs. well he was bad in that one highlight that everyone saw, but he is actually a positive contributor to his team defensively over his career.
• Tinordi sucks lol. well he is depth and competition and toughness and can be buried so he literally doesn't matter

Everytime we think drury sucks just remember that he traded howden.

 

[pld459666]

Who wrote this crap?

 

[aufheben]

Should be last.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

So the plan was always overpaying free agents and losing trades day 1?

Gorton would have approached the same type of players, which are always overpaid in free agency. They may have gone after a different individual but the plan was the same.

 

[NYR94]

Is this the one that had Detroit at 3rd?

 

[nyr2k2]

Gorton would have approached the same type of players, which are always overpaid in free agency. They may have gone after a different individual but the plan was the same.

Yep, the plan likely would have been the same, and people need to remember that Gorton wasn't exactly Mr. Stingy when it came to handing out contracts. It was like 50/50 with him when a contract was signed--half of them seemed (to many on this board) like big-time overpayments, half of them were deemed as "fine."

People act as if everything Gorton and JD did was f***ing gold. In reality, a lot of it was heavily disliked here. That doesn't have anything to do with Drury, of course, other than to serve as a reminder to all the people that pine for the halcyon days of JD and Gorts that that shit wasn't all roses and sunshine then, either.

 

[Trxjw]

Didn't even need to click the link to know who wrote this article. Feeling better and better about ditching my subscription.

Rangers needed to add bite to the lineup. That was universally accepted heading into the off-season, even before the Wilson shit went down. They signed a guy the majority of this board lusted over in Goodrow. They brought in a heavy weight who can actually skate a regular shift on the 4th line most nights. They brought in a guy who likely can bounce around the top-3 lines to add something that group has been missing. All they lost was one guy they couldn't afford to keep anyway and who was blocking two of our most important players from getting more meaningful minutes. Do I love the Buch trade at face value? No but I'm willing to see what we have in Blais before acting like Drury nuked the future of the franchise in one deal.

Some people are only happy when they're unhappy.

 

[Ola]

Honestly, how do you guys view ‘NYR fans’ ability to evaluate our management?

It has zero importance and I think we have the best fans in the league hands down, one of the reasons I love this team is the character of the fans — but lol, I would definitely not like this org to be run by the fans with a majority vote.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I don't know if Quinn would have gotten another year. Certainly the change in the FO improved the chances that Quinn was not going to be retained.


Is this a positive? It's not the GM's job to get a coach the fans want. It's his job to get the coach that's best for the job. That might be the same person in this case. My biggest issue with the process is there really were only two candidates that came to light: Gallant and Tocchet. So was that really doing a deep dive. And ultimately, Gallant was a bit like AV when they signed him: a seemingly obvious and easy pick.

I thought there was a discussion that we had with a swedish coach as well, but he didnt get past the first round of interviews.
I dont think the point of a GM is to hire the person the fans "want", but i think most of us look at whats the best person for the job, and use some of the same logic that the GM will use.
Had he gone completely out there for the role, we'd probably be looking for what logic or what did he see in that coach, and how will that define his tenure.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

I thought there was a discussion that we had with a swedish coach as well, but he didnt get past the first round of interviews.
I dont think the point of a GM is to hire the person the fans "want", but i think most of us look at whats the best person for the job, and use some of the same logic that the GM will use.
Had he gone completely out there for the role, we'd probably be looking for what logic or what did he see in that coach, and how will that define his tenure.

Even is there a was a Swedish coach, that makes three known candidates. Not sure that qualifies as a thorough search.

 

[DialUp]

Still can't get over how the sentiment went from "NYR will be contending as a powerhouse for YEARS in the very near future" to "rebuild destroyed" in a matter of months because we traded a winger that ONLY ONE TEAM WANTED TO SIGN and signed a two time cup winning glue guy...what the hell is wrong with people? I am generally pessimistic about how next season is going to play out, but there's a damned limit to my hysteria. Last year, under JD and Gorton, CANNOT BE TOPPED in disfunction.