I don't like the lines. The Rangers have an issue creating balanced lines. The kid line is their best ES line, but they can't play together because holes elsewhere. Then the stars don't fit together; Panarin has his ES style, Zib has his. Kakko doesn't really fit with Zib and Kreider, nevermind all the "1st line" talk. Kreider kinda just floats about nowadays. Laffy playing with Panarin has a tendency to try to play like a mini-Panarin. Trochek is still finding his way with his new team.
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mas0764
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Well, it's not exactly predictive and the article says as much, but it can be used to determine if you are anywhere close.
I think we are a bit short still, at least until Kakko and Laf become stars.
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It's an 'after the fact' metric though.
If you win the cup. You will have a strong top6 and strong top4. That's all that the chart shows. Like I've said, you would be 'poopoo'n' Kadri and Nichuskin 2 years ago. Circumstances change.
A top4 defenseman on a top team, puts up good metrics.
That same top4 defenseman on a bad team, does not come close to them.
The individual player doesn't make the difference. The team environment does
It's a self fulfilling prophecy. The teams with the best top 6 and top4, go the furthest and typically win.
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Gallant at least diagnosed the obvious problem, the team played slow af and forechecked like p***yes. Whether he can get them to play properly or not is another thing.
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This is what happens when there's less structure or system to adhere to imo.
We need a complete overhaul of our system. It's obviously not happening this season or for as long as Gallant is here.
Gallant runs a resort. There's no accountability for any of the vets or his guys. Only if you are on your ELC is there accountability.
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Panarin, Zibanejad, Fox, Shesterkin
Miller, Kreider, Trocheck, Lafreniere, Kakko, Chytil, Lindgren
4 players who could be very good, 7 others who have the talent to be good, is still only 11 players.
Trouba who fits in the middle depending on game.
Goodrow, Reaves, Carpenter, Vesey, Kravtsov, Blias, (basically six 4th liners)
Jones, Schneider, Hajek, (three iffy NHL defenders)
Halak (meh)
I mean there is hope that some of the younger guys can elevate, yet right now that is sort of where they are in my opinion.
Miller, Kreider, Trocheck, Lafreniere, Kakko, Chytil, Lindgren
4 players who could be very good, 7 others who have the talent to be good, is still only 11 players.
Trouba who fits in the middle depending on game.
Goodrow, Reaves, Carpenter, Vesey, Kravtsov, Blias, (basically six 4th liners)
Jones, Schneider, Hajek, (three iffy NHL defenders)
Halak (meh)
I mean there is hope that some of the younger guys can elevate, yet right now that is sort of where they are in my opinion.
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I'm actually looking to move closer to the Rangers bench. My grandson wants to get a selfie with Kreider.
Stay tuned.
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I think he kinda implies in the article that some of those grades are not players you would necessarily expect to be career-level at those numbers but they just played that way during a specific season or a specific playoff run. At the same time that is just SOME of the players.
Assuredly the GSVA scores are predictive to a large degree. Like, Libor Hajek isn’t going to become a 3.0+ GSVA defensemen and lead us to a Cup, I’m calling it now. But Fox, who has already rang up a season in excess of 3.0 GSVA, might.
Just because a player like Nischuskin came out of the woodwork doesn’t mean the chart is worthless. I’m still pretty sure you need to have pre identified most of those components. I wouldn’t say it’s not predictive, I think it’s mostly predictive, just not entirely.
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Read the last post again.
Plain as day, if you need your vezina winner to beat Columbus you have bigger issues with your team.
That ass backwards. Igor was standing on his head last year and stopping all kinds of breakdowns and plays. They were more confident offensively w Igor in net to back them up but they were horrific defensively.
They have played a soft schedule so far and have been bad really outside of the Tampa game, and that includes when Igor has been in net.
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Well some people on here don't always (or didn't always) realize the obvious of what else the Rangers needed to be contenders.
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yeah, you're spinning it just to argue.
Playing your backup 2 out of 3, and 3 out of 5, aint it. The fact that you are arguing that, is mind blowing. I dont care about your hypotheticals. We had a lot of time off and a couple back2backs coming up.
We should beat Columbus but that's besides the point. You do not play your backup that much over your elite netminder and you should not play your goalie b2b unless it's absolutely season ending.... it's not. So, whichever way you cut it, it's wrong.
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Agreed. Unfortunately Carpenter is a slug and really only knows the one basic play on a 2-1, the cross crease pass through a defender for an easy tap in.
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Many. I even remember an interview when we were on like a 6 game win streak and they asked him how things were going and what the mood in the room was like and he said “things aren’t going well right now, I’m not playing enough”
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