GDT: CBJ vs Chicago | 7 PM ET 11/22 | Nationwide Arena

[Farmboy Patty]

I sometimes think people only post to air their grievances. You can't even enjoy a win in a season that has had just a few of them? Crazy.

Some people just like to complain….

 

[koteka]

I don't suppose the next time the Jackets come back from losing 7-1 and score two goals in the third to lose 7-3, that you'll be here to talk about how they were much better than the score indicates and that we should be positive?

When you are in a blow out (either winning or losing), teams often working on the little things because you have a game type situation you can use to try to improve. It would have been nice to see the defense and Elvis hold a team to 1 goal. Heck, if they had held Chicago to 2 goals it would only be the third time this season the Jackets gave up 2 goals or fewer.

Also, if the Jackets were in the middle of a tank, scoring a couple of goals in the third period of a blow out game would be better than rolling over and accepting the loss.

 

[majormajor]

When you are in a blow out (either winning or losing), teams often working on the little things because you have a game type situation you can use to try to improve.

I don't think that's often how it goes, no.

Blowouts look messy in the end, often the losing team plays better because they've been embarrassed and try to get goals on the board. The winning team inevitably eases up. The game was over, and there was nothing at stake for the Jackets there, nothing worth commenting on.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

You can't be serious......

The play in the 3rd was very sloppy. I was hoping they could keep the hammer down and prove they could play 60 minutes. They did not. All last night proved was that they could beat up on a bad Blackhawks team. Let's see if they can do something over several games. At this point I'm inclined to think it was a blind squirrel finding a nut.

Can they do something against a much more talented (albeit struggling on the goaltending side) Devils team tomorrow? We'll see. There are positives to take away from last night but let's not exactly say we've turned a corner just yet.

 

[VT]

If a team has 9 losses in a row, and they are close and losing the lead most of the time, it takes a toll on the psyche of the players. Players stop believing in themselves, they start to play more safe, especially technical players. Those who prefer vertical boom-boom hockey have an advantage.
That's why winning by 7 goals was important.

 

[Farmboy Patty]

If a team has 9 losses in a row, and they are close and losing the lead most of the time, it takes a toll on the psyche of the players. Players stop believing in themselves, they start to play more safe, especially technical players. Those who prefer vertical boom-boom hockey have an advantage.
That's why winning by 7 goals was important.

As I see it this game was a well welcomed proof for the team that their offensive output is a true weapon when things comes together. It’s still a long journey but a big part of building an identity is finding your good space and building on from that. Having confidence in putting the puck in the net relieves the anxiety of letting one in.

 

[Marioesque]

As I see it this game was a well welcomed proof for the team that their offensive output is a true weapon when things comes together. It’s still a long journey but a big part of building an identity is finding your good space and building on from that. Having confidence in putting the puck in the net relieves the anxiety of letting one in.

Yeah that's what I got out of it, when the lines are in formations that work the offensive potential is high and it's a competitive team. They need time to make it a habit of putting together a full 60 minutes.

 

[Farmboy Patty]

Yeah that's what I got out of it, when the lines are in formations that work the offensive potential is high and it's a competitive team. They need time to make it a habit of putting together a full 60 minutes.

Yup. They have a long journey ahead, but that’s the beauty of having an 82 games long regular season.

 

[NotCommitted]

Well the Jackets did give up two goals in the third without scoring any, so maybe this game wasn’t as good as the final score indicates.

They also had a 6 goal buffer so maybe the 3rd period was just largely irrelevant. I mean in the context of their 3rd periods this season, it's not great they lost it again 2-0 but even then, the game was basically over barring a miracle.

 

[stevo61]

Yup. They have a long journey ahead, but that’s the beauty of having an 82 games long regular season.

Last season felt about 60 games too long

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

What for the CBJ would be dismissed as meaningless garbage time goals is crisis time when we give them up.

 

[koteka]

What for the CBJ would be dismissed as meaningless garbage time goals is crisis time when we give them up.

It is not crisis time time that we gave up two meaningless goals. Crisis time had already had arrived a couple of weeks ago. But it is another data point that the Jackets can’t stop the other team from scoring in the third period.

 

[MrEckted]

It is not crisis time time that we gave up two meaningless goals. Crisis time had already had arrived a couple of weeks ago. But it is another data point that the Jackets can’t stop the other team from scoring in the third period.

Are the CBJ the only team you follow?

 

[Marioesque]

It is not crisis time time that we gave up two meaningless goals. Crisis time had already had arrived a couple of weeks ago. But it is another data point that the Jackets can’t stop the other team from scoring in the third period.

Yeah, Also not scoring in third, not keeping the pace. They're just not winning 9-0 yet

Fire everyone.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

It is not crisis time time that we gave up two meaningless goals. Crisis time had already had arrived a couple of weeks ago. But it is another data point that the Jackets can’t stop the other team from scoring in the third period.

And another data point that some people will just do whatever they can to focus on the negative.

 

[joybang]

Did anyone actually enjoy their favorite hockey team scoring 7 goals and winning? Yeesh lol.

 

[KJ Dangler]

I was traveling back from Italy.. so only caught first period . Amazing how much better they look when the Veterans bring their game ..Chinakov , Fantilli, Marchenko, Laine , JG, and Jenner had great games … for all the crap Boquist gets around here , he needs to be playing .. his vision and ability to set up offense is needed badly . Fantilli was better than Bedard that night .

 

[KJ Dangler]

For me there will be mixed feelings with every loss and win this season.

Every loss that accelerates the process of expected GM change will be good for CBJ long-term and I will be happy about it. Conversely, every loss that delays and hampers the development of potential future core players (Fantilli, Jiricek, Marchenko), and lowers the value of likely trade baits (Laine, Chinakhov, Boqvist...) will be bad for them long-term and I won't be happy about it.

A new, better GM would be the best thing that could happen to this club right now (new GM would have a lot of time to get to know everybody in the org before making difficult decisions on coaches, players etc later in the offseason). Until that happens I won't be able to feel genuinely excited about a win.

I have serious contention with your thoughts that Chinakov and Boquist should be traded ..

 

[Napoli]

I was traveling back from Italy.. so only caught first period . Amazing how much better they look when the Veterans bring their game ..Chinakov , Fantilli, Marchenko, Laine , JG, and Jenner had great games … for all the crap Boquist gets around here , he needs to be playing .. his vision and ability to set up offense is needed badly . Fantilli was better than Bedard that night .

I'd really like to see Boqvist get a real chance. Similar to what Andrew Peeke got, the offense is real and maybe the D isn't as bad as everyone thinks.

 

[tunnelvision]

likely trade baits (Laine, Chinakhov, Boqvist...)

your thoughts that Chinakov and Boquist should be traded

Your logical fallacy is strawman

You misrepresented someone's argument to make it easier to attack.

yourlogicalfallacyis.com

 

[Marioesque]

I'd really like to see Boqvist get a real chance. Similar to what Andrew Peeke got, the offense is real and maybe the D isn't as bad as everyone thinks.

He really needs a good look on PP1 with Laine, it has worked well before. After last game, it looked like we found line combinations that worked in a way that everyone was able to provide something to the win. Now they need to address the glaring weakness which is the PP. There is absolutely no excuse to have a bad PP when you have this much shooting talent in the team.

For this, they have to tell Zach that he's the main shooter in PP2, not in PP1. Boqvist can unlock the Laine weapon and Z can still have his own PP line.

 

[Viqsi]

And another data point that some people will just do whatever they can to focus on the negative.

It's quite simple. Jarmo Kekalainen is still a Blue Jacket, therefore everything Jackets-related is bad. We could win the Stanley Cup with him at the helm and it'd still be bad ("they'll mistakenly credit him for the win and won't fire him, omg horrible"). He won't come out and say that's the reason, but that's been the reason for quite a while now.

 

[KJ Dangler]

Your logical fallacy is strawman

You misrepresented someone's argument to make it easier to attack.

yourlogicalfallacyis.com

Explain how ? Chinakov has all the tools to be a difference maker at the nhl level. He has speed , vision , and an elite shot . He hustles , plays good defense , has great hockey sense .. he’s been hurt …

Boqusit was near a point per game as he got healthy late last year , and the powerplay went on a tear . He physically needs to get stronger , his defense isn’t as near as bad as some make it to be , and offensively , he’s the ideal powerplay qb .. whats our record right now if we convert 6 or 7 more power plays this year ? That pass in the second to Marchenko is one no one else in this team sees , and makes ..

 

[tunnelvision]

Explain how ?

I never said there that Boqvist and Chinakhov should be traded, even though I'm leaning towards that opinion.

Chinakhov hasn't been very effective without the puck, and he still struggles at getting shots off quick and reaching the interior due to his inconsistent and weak puck handling. If he fails to hit his offensive upside and doesn't seem to have enough tools to play in more of a checking role lower in the lineup, he will be at best a mediocre middle-6 forward (=redundant). Those kind of players are more valuable when they're 22, since people think there's still room for growth, than when they're 25 or older.

We clearly assess Boqvist's defensive impact and potential very differently. I see him more or less as a pure PP specialist that isn't needed when the team is ready to contend and has more versatile defenders on the lineup capable of QB'ing the PP while handling many other things as well.

 

[koteka]

It's quite simple. Jarmo Kekalainen is still a Blue Jacket, therefore everything Jackets-related is bad. We could win the Stanley Cup with him at the helm and it'd still be bad ("they'll mistakenly credit him for the win and won't fire him, omg horrible"). He won't come out and say that's the reason, but that's been the reason for quite a while now.

Man, for someone who likes to call out people for their biases, you sure have a lot of your own.

Jarmo deserves to be fired. I don’t hide my view about that.

One of the reasons he should be fired is he built a defense that is not designed to hold leads in the third period. That is a pretty important thing for a hockey team to be able to do.

Giving up two third period goals is bad. If we had a good defense and built a huge lead and decided to rest guys and play the lower line up guys more minutes, then it might be acceptable. But that is not the situation here.

Today the Jackets went into the third period with a one goal lead and held it. Good job Jackets. I acknowledged as much in the thread.

I spent my day watching high school hockey games live at the Chiller Thanksgiving tournament. I had a blast. If the Jackets don’t fire Jarmo, there is plenty of other hockey around for me to appreciate.

Get well and try not to be so judging of your fellow man.