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Would have cost a 2nd round pick to have a third team broker retain 25%—roughly $2.25M in real dollars.
Clearly not worth it when Carolina is only giving up a 3rd for the 50% retention on Kuznetsov.
Confirmed Trade: [CAR/WSH] Evgeny Kuznetsov (50% Retained) for 2025 3rd Round Pick
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Would have cost a 2nd round pick to have a third team broker retain 25%—roughly $2.25M in real dollars.
Clearly not worth it when Carolina is only giving up a 3rd for the 50% retention on Kuznetsov.
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so the club is an issue. where do you prefer to enjoy your cocaine?
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I have so many mixed feelings about this one:
It's a good flier to take if you're Carolina, because if he really does just need a new fresh start you got a ridiculously talented player for a third. Like naturally just going to blow you away if he's actually doing it, man practically invented a pass in a league that has seen everything and can somehow gain the zone without moving his feet half the time.
At the same time, that runway was all the way gone in Washington, and who knows for what reason overall but his participation in the program suggests it wasn't something easily fixed. Lord knows they tried to give him minutes this season and it just didn't take, but maybe that's part of the problem and he's trying to perform without his performance enhancer, or relapsing but not seeing the same benefits.
That's mild speculation but the point is a new limited role in a new team could help him get his wheels back on and actually pull out of this. Being with Orlov should help, because he seems like a straighter-laced dude and they've got the type of history for him to be babysat and really pull it together...
At the same time as that, I really hope the Hurricanes don't reactivate that Kuznetsov because he's a world-beater and it would be really f***ing irritating.
But at the same time as that part I don't want to root against a guy who is struggling and honestly doesn't deserve any real ire.
Man, f*** this trade. I want to be on the "good end" but I also just want him to be okay and maybe play okay instead of being the complete garbage we saw these last two years... but also if that means he just quit then f*** him again a little.
It's a good flier to take if you're Carolina, because if he really does just need a new fresh start you got a ridiculously talented player for a third. Like naturally just going to blow you away if he's actually doing it, man practically invented a pass in a league that has seen everything and can somehow gain the zone without moving his feet half the time.
At the same time, that runway was all the way gone in Washington, and who knows for what reason overall but his participation in the program suggests it wasn't something easily fixed. Lord knows they tried to give him minutes this season and it just didn't take, but maybe that's part of the problem and he's trying to perform without his performance enhancer, or relapsing but not seeing the same benefits.
That's mild speculation but the point is a new limited role in a new team could help him get his wheels back on and actually pull out of this. Being with Orlov should help, because he seems like a straighter-laced dude and they've got the type of history for him to be babysat and really pull it together...
At the same time as that, I really hope the Hurricanes don't reactivate that Kuznetsov because he's a world-beater and it would be really f***ing irritating.
But at the same time as that part I don't want to root against a guy who is struggling and honestly doesn't deserve any real ire.
Man, f*** this trade. I want to be on the "good end" but I also just want him to be okay and maybe play okay instead of being the complete garbage we saw these last two years... but also if that means he just quit then f*** him again a little.
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All the pre-TDL signed ELCs probably were too much term. I won't check up.
Never know he's wanted out of Washington for years it seems like he could be a good get for another team
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He looked good today but this Devils team has given up on their year for the most part lol. The Rags v Canes game next Tuesday will tell a lot about what will happen come Spring even though it's one game. Should have a playoff feel
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Guentzel likely makes his debut that game
ZachaFlockaFlame
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Should be a fun game, wish NYR didn't have us the night before to make it a fully rested team on both sides but lol NHL scheduling
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B2B games with travel are the dumbest, we had a 7pm game, then travel and 1pm game the next day. Ridiculous scheduling.
SoundAndFury
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0 points, -1 in 16.38 TOI in 7-2 win for Canes. This trade working out as expected, so far.
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Stats don't reflect how positive he was on the ice for the game.
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Imagine being so confidently wrong about a player’s performance in a game just by. kindly posting a stat line.
AhosDatsyukian
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Lol you obviously didn’t watch a second of the game. He was great today
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That is true. Having said that, his final stat line is funny and advanced stat vary from average to very bad. So it's really interesting what "great" things slipped through the seems here.
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AhosDatsyukian
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A half dozen grade A scoring chances that just weren’t quite finished, penalties drawn where we scored on ensuing PP, the goal against was Freddie passing it directly to a Flame in front of his own net while he was behind the net. Stat watchers are a joke. The game is played on the ice not with a calculator
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As someone who watched about a period of half on the Flames end, he looked excellent.
A definite clash of styles, player vs. team. Add in some general rust and there will be an adjustment period. Effort looks good, though.
Guentzel will bump him from the 1st PP, sending Aho back to the half wall. Canes can’t have stagnant movement and expect to score. There’s no OV one-timer in the lineup.
Guentzel will bump him from the 1st PP, sending Aho back to the half wall. Canes can’t have stagnant movement and expect to score. There’s no OV one-timer in the lineup.
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Take it easy, we aren't making a Western here. I'm glad he played well to some degree but at the end of the day he has zeroes to show for after 2 games his team scored 11 goals in. The tone you are using reeks of continuous hopium which has made this trade happen in the first place.
Maybe he will break out, will be amazing again and Canes will look like geniuses. But so far it is what it is.
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Out of those 16 minutes 38 seconds how many, approximately, did you watch?
