Contract Termination: [CAR] F Alexander Pashin contract terminated by the Hurricanes

[MMC]

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[AhosDatsyukian]

Not likely to ever play in the NHL. He's tiny and has struggled to produce in higher level leagues. Not the worst development so far for a 7th round pick but he just won't make it in NA. Hope for the best for him and he can certainly carve out a long term role in the K.

 

[Mike Jones]

So the Hurricanes just lost their Pashin for hockey?

(I'll give you a minute...)

 

[WarriorofTime]

I guess they wanted to free up a 50 contract limit spot, or just being cheap since they were nowhere close to the limit this season. That be a bit more likely. With their fights with AHL Affiliates over costs, rumors of a refusal to pay for Brind'Amour's assistants, Canes may be one of the cheaper orgs in the League.

 

[Svechhammer]

With their fights with AHL Affiliates over costs, rumors of a refusal to pay for Brind'Amour's assistants, Canes may be one of the cheaper orgs in the League.

1 - The fight over cost was the Checkers wanting the Canes to pay all their expenses while the Checkers pocketed all the revenues. Any other team would tell them to f*** off, but they thought they had the Canes in a bind because it was all in the same state. They guessed wrong.

2 - The issue with the Wolves was that the Canes wanted them to prioritize playing and developing our prospects over AHL vets, and the Wolves refused. Namely, the Canes wanted Kochetkov to keep getting starts to keep him fresh in case we needed to call him up last year, and the Wolves kept playing Lyons.

3 - The refusal to pay the assistants is not true at all. We paid them the last time he asked and we're going to pay them all now. The contract renewal was just tabled til after the playoff run to both sides can focus on making it right.

 

[WarriorofTime]

1 - The fight over cost was the Checkers wanting the Canes to pay all their expenses while the Checkers pocketed all the revenues. Any other team would tell them to f*** off, but they thought they had the Canes in a bind because it was all in the same state. They guessed wrong.

2 - The issue with the Wolves was that the Canes wanted them to prioritize playing and developing our prospects over AHL vets, and the Wolves refused. Namely, the Canes wanted Kochetkov to keep getting starts to keep him fresh in case we needed to call him up last year, and the Wolves kept playing Lyons.

Now the Canes may be playing some 4D Business Chess, but they've had two very public and messy divorces with AHL affiliates. What's that old saying about when everyone you run into is an A-Hole...

3 - The refusal to pay the assistants is not true at all. We paid them the last time he asked and we're going to pay them all now. The contract renewal was just tabled til after the playoff run to both sides can focus on making it right.

We'll see, my understanding is the Assistant pay caused a snafu on an extension, maybe it'll get worked out, maybe not. Time will tell.

 

[Chainshot]

Seems more just trimming the 50-contract limit than anything else.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Now the Canes may be playing some 4D Business Chess, but they've had two very public and messy divorces with AHL affiliates. What's that old saying about when everyone you run into is an A-Hole...

We'll see, my understanding is the Assistant pay caused a snafu on an extension, maybe it'll get worked out, maybe not. Time will tell.

your understanding is misguided and flat out wrong, but keep perpetuating falsehoods

 

[SEALBound]

So the Hurricanes just lost their Pashin for hockey?

(I'll give you a minute...)

I'm glad I clicked this thread now

 

[Svechhammer]

Now the Canes may be playing some 4D Business Chess, but they've had two very public and messy divorces with AHL affiliates. What's that old saying about when everyone you run into is an A-Hole...

You can believe whatever you want, but what I described is exactly what happened. Any other franchise would have done the exact same things the Canes did. And mind you, the Canes aren't the ones running to the media whining about how unfairly they've been treated. Its coming from the AHL owners who thought they had a sweetheart deal only to see it blow up in their face.

We'll see, my understanding is the Assistant pay caused a snafu on an extension, maybe it'll get worked out, maybe not. Time will tell.

There's no snafu. I know what Dreger and Weekes put out the other day, and I also know that both Brindy and the Canes have since said there is no issue, and even Dreger started to walk back his comments saying neither side has any desire to test the market. Hell, even Friedman came out today in his podcast saying the whole issue from this week didn't stem from Brindy but from some of the people around him who are basically worried that Brindy isn't doing the right thing by taking the deal he's going to take.

 

[WarriorofTime]

There's no snafu. I know what Dreger and Weekes put out the other day, and I also know that both Brindy and the Canes have since said there is no issue, and even Dreger started to walk back his comments saying neither side has any desire to test the market. Hell, even Friedman came out today in his podcast saying the whole issue from this week didn't stem from Brindy but from some of the people around him who are basically worried that Brindy isn't doing the right thing by taking the deal he's going to take.

That doesn't mean Brind'Amour doesn't want his Assistants to get paid. I'm not saying he'll leave, I'm saying Assistant Pay is the thing that still needs to be worked out because there wasn't a meeting of the minds.

Anyways, the many open contract slots is just another piece of evidence that Carolina is probably a cheap organization. I don't know why you personally care unless you are family with the Ownership. It doesn't have much an affect on the ability to build a Stanley Cup contender as that is all Non-Cap related expenditure we're talking about.

 

[Svechhammer]

That doesn't mean Brind'Amour doesn't want his Assistants to get paid. I'm not saying he'll leave, I'm saying Assistant Pay is the thing that still needs to be worked out because there wasn't a meeting of the minds.

Anyways, the many open contract slots is just another piece of evidence that Carolina is probably a cheap organization. I don't know why you personally care unless you are family with the Ownership. It doesn't have much an affect on the ability to build a Stanley Cup contender as that is all Non-Cap related expenditure we're talking about.

Once again, the assistants will get paid. The last time Brindy had his contract extended he asked for it and it happened, and Dundon has already said he's already agreeing to do it again, they just have to work out the fine details, which they'll do after the playoff run ends. Doesn't want to distract any of the coaches from getting ready for their games.

 

[Guttersniped]

1 - The fight over cost was the Checkers wanting the Canes to pay all their expenses while the Checkers pocketed all the revenues. Any other team would tell them to f*** off, but they thought they had the Canes in a bind because it was all in the same state. They guessed wrong.

2 - The issue with the Wolves was that the Canes wanted them to prioritize playing and developing our prospects over AHL vets, and the Wolves refused. Namely, the Canes wanted Kochetkov to keep getting starts to keep him fresh in case we needed to call him up last year, and the Wolves kept playing Lyons.

3 - The refusal to pay the assistants is not true at all. We paid them the last time he asked and we're going to pay them all now. The contract renewal was just tabled til after the playoff run to both sides can focus on making it right.

I get that the Canes have a rep but if anyone blaming them for what’s happened with Chicago Wolves doesn’t know the Wolves’ recent history.

They pulled the same shit with St Louis in 2017, they were just lucky that Vegas needed AHL home so they had another team to dump them for.

Both sides need each other for now which is why they got back together.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Both sides are moving on nothing more then that

 

[StuckOutHere]

The Pashin That Unites Us All (TM)

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

but they've had two very public and messy divorces with AHL affiliates

The Wolves came crawling back

 

[Scintillating10]

I thought Pashin would make it. He had good Hlinka Gretzky

 

[ONO94]

Now the Canes may be playing some 4D Business Chess, but they've had two very public and messy divorces with AHL affiliates. What's that old saying about when everyone you run into is an A-Hole...

Strange you call out the Canes when the Wolves have been through more teams than any other franchise in the AHL--it is Chicago who put the A in A-hole here....

 

[bleedgreen]

I guess they wanted to free up a 50 contract limit spot, or just being cheap since they were nowhere close to the limit this season. That be a bit more likely. With their fights with AHL Affiliates over costs, rumors of a refusal to pay for Brind'Amour's assistants, Canes may be one of the cheaper orgs in the League.

Maybe you missed all the elc’s we’ve handed out over the last month, Pashin hasn’t gotten anywhere and it’s time for the newer guys.

Funny to be a cap team for years and still be called cheap….

Some people need their narratives.

 

[Treb]

I guess they wanted to free up a 50 contract limit spot, or just being cheap since they were nowhere close to the limit this season. That be a bit more likely. With their fights with AHL Affiliates over costs, rumors of a refusal to pay for Brind'Amour's assistants, Canes may be one of the cheaper orgs in the League.

Or maybe Pashin decided to stay in Russia.

It's a mutual termination after all.

 

[Smirnov2Chistov]

I guess they wanted to free up a 50 contract limit spot, or just being cheap since they were nowhere close to the limit this season. That be a bit more likely. With their fights with AHL Affiliates over costs, rumors of a refusal to pay for Brind'Amour's assistants, Canes may be one of the cheaper orgs in the League.

You speculated all that out by a simple contract termination??

 

[The Management]

So the Hurricanes just lost their Pashin for hockey?

(I'll give you a minute...)

I was going to show up and make an Alexei Yashin joke, but you win.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Now the Canes may be playing some 4D Business Chess, but they've had two very public and messy divorces with AHL affiliates. What's that old saying about when everyone you run into is an A-Hole...

You’re not wrong that Canes management is pretty ruthless when it comes to their business dealings. Some orgs might have bent over and lost a bunch of money to keep the Checkers as their affiliate, and a lot of us fans with no skin in the game wanted the Canes to do exactly that.

But from a business point of view, it’s a pretty simple story. Charlotte overplayed their hand and underestimated Tom Dundon’s willingness to make an unpopular decision with the big picture in mind. That left Carolina with only the Wolves to deal with — which would still have been fine if the Wolves hadn’t decided to do Wolves things and burn down the relationship.

A year later, the Wolves have gone from Calder Cup champs to last place. Like Charlotte, they overplayed their hand and are now crawling back to the table. It’s a dumb story, but typical of minor league shenanigans and the Wolves franchise in particular. Dundon wasn’t going to pay these hacks to take advantage of him, so here we are.

 

[Chrispy]

Now the Canes may be playing some 4D Business Chess, but they've had two very public and messy divorces with AHL affiliates. What's that old saying about when everyone you run into is an A-Hole...

interesting you use that adage for Carolina breaking up with Charlotte and Chicago, but not for the Wolves having issues with Vancouver and St. Louis and Carolina.

“Everyone” here applies more to the Wolves. And getting back together with Carolina meant giving up roster control and Chicago bumping the GM to a VP position with no roster control.

 

[HanSolo]

So the Hurricanes just lost their Pashin for hockey?

(I'll give you a minute...)

Thanks, I have aggressive pun dyslexia so I needed that minute.