Speculation: Caps Hockey General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) -- 2017-18 Regular Season Edition

[Silky mitts]

Buying out Orpik saves I think $4M against the cap because 2/3 the salary is spread out over 2 years, either $4M or 2/3 of $5.5M if it’s based on salary or cap number

 

[peterthegreat12]

So Grubauer is still on the team. Interesting,

Perhaps you keep him as an asset in case they can't sign Carlson to try to help acquire a d-man.

 

[Jags]

3 Million extra in space gets you Carlson, DSP, Beagle back in....you make that trade all day every day.

Not me. With all due respect to Beagle and DSP, we have guys on the team right now that can step into those roles, and that turnover will help us quantify and develop what we have on the farm.

I get your frustration with Burakovsky, but he's 23, was constantly in Trotz's doghouse, bounced all over the lineup, and the injuries he's had were mostly the types of things that could happen to anyone and aren't lingering. I'm with you that he only stood out in that one game, but he played really well from that point forward. He moved very well with the puck, was in the mix physically, backchecked well, picked a few pockets... The kid can play.

What I see from him mostly is immaturity. He's a goofball, and he could stand to grow up a bit. But that's true of most people at 23. We don't need the money that badly, and keep in mind that your casual dismissal of him as a Caps fan probably speaks volumes about his actual value to other teams. They see the same goofball that only stood out for one playoff game, too. You're not going to get a monster return.

If it turns out I'm wrong and we trade him for something great, I'm okay with that. But punting early on him specifically to keep an aging 4C and a 4W taking up a valuable prospect spot? No, thanks.

 

[Brian23]

There are 5 people alone who don't deserve to be above Ovi. And I think Mac was robbed.

 

[third man in]

There are 5 people alone who don't deserve to be above Ovi. And I think Mac was robbed.

It's all good. I like the new hardware Ovi got this year: Conn Smythe, Stanley Cup, and Prince of Wales.

 

[g00n]

We have always said rather have the Cup than the individual trophies so, w/e

 

[BallardEra]

Yep, and he still got his Rocket to add to that haul.

 

[NobodyBeatsTheWiz]

great player on a mediocre team. almost like Ovie's first win.

Much more comparable to Perry's or Sedin's win, IMO.

He only won because the true greats had slight down years in production.

 

[StrikingDistance]

Hall seems like a cool kid. Unless we don't like him.

I liked him better when he was on Saved by the Bell.

 

[RandyHolt]

I liked him better when he was on Saved by the Bell.

haha. But so did Tiffany Amber Theissen.

 

[HunterSThompson]

Ovechkin shut out of the post season all stars. Wow.

49 goals on a team that won the division but was supposed to be fighting for a wild card spot is just not special anymore.

 

[OV Rocks]

There are 5 people alone who don't deserve to be above Ovi. And I think Mac was robbed.

4 of the top 5 are Canadian...shocker

3 Russians in the top 10 and Malkin is the only one who gets first place votes (Crosby effect).

The Canadian bias is stupid

 

[Corby78]

Malkin ahead of Ovie??? I would have to argue that one.

 

[hockeykicker]

So Grubauer is still on the team. Interesting,

Perhaps you keep him as an asset in case they can't sign Carlson to try to help acquire a d-man.

Now that they finally got a cap idea, expect things to move in next few days. Gmbm was likely waiting for cap announcement

 

[Ridley Simon]

Buying out Orpik saves I think $4M against the cap because 2/3 the salary is spread out over 2 years, either $4M or 2/3 of $5.5M if it’s based on salary or cap number

No....there will still be dead cap space....not only this year, but next. It wont "save" the team anything (perhaps Leonsis some coin, but thats not pertinent).

It would be completely foolish for the team to buy him out. If they want to move on from him, trade him with retained salary. It's the same impact to the cap this year (at most 2.75, or less), and NO impact to 2019-2020.

 

[Raikkonen]

Dont care about awards and votings one bit. Nobody is catching Ovi in terms of individual awards from his generation. And time will tell if McDavid can catch him. Maybe few generations.

I think Richard next year will be enough. Maybe Messier award too? And a little silver cup.

 

[Raikkonen]

To BO Orpik makes sense only if he will become TR's assistant right away... and that's kinda inprobable.

 

[AlexBrovechkin8]

Ovie is a victim of his own success. He's supposed to score 50 goals every year so it's not an accomplishment for him any more.

 

[Raikkonen]

Ovie is a victim of his own success. He's supposed to score 50 goals every year so it's not an accomplishment for him any more.

Good news is they are making goalie equipment smaller next season. Maybe Ovi should aim for 60. Why not? Quicker he gets to 700, more motivation to be in shape further.

 

[Dr John Carlson]

That Ovechkin finished higher in Hart voting in 2015-16 than he did this year is slightly disturbing considering how much better he played in this season.

 

[Silky mitts]

No....there will still be dead cap space....not only this year, but next. It wont "save" the team anything (perhaps Leonsis some coin, but thats not pertinent).

It would be completely foolish for the team to buy him out. If they want to move on from him, trade him with retained salary. It's the same impact to the cap this year (at most 2.75, or less), and NO impact to 2019-2020.

Whether or not you think it's the correct strategy or if Orpik has trade value with a $3.5-4M salary releasing him saves 1/3 of his salary and amortized cap number and my explanation of how buyouts work in the CBA is factually correct.

 

[Ridley Simon]

Whether or not you think it's the correct strategy or if Orpik has trade value with a $3.5-4M salary releasing him saves 1/3 of his salary and amortized cap number and my explanation of how buyouts work in the CBA is factually correct.

Did someone state they didn't understand how it works? Did we need that dropped on the group?

Try Orpik at 2.75-3m in salary and see if he has value. If you want to get specfic, it would be Orpik at 3m exactly (which would mirror the 2.5m in dead cap space).

Again, bringing up a buy out seems like a waste of discussion....or worse. Not sure what the point was.

 

[BiPolar Caps]

Im done with his potential.

Im done with his inability to score.

Im done with his inability to stay healthy.

Yeah, he had a great game 7 against Tampa...but Im not sold on his longterm potential here.

Let him find it somewhere else and bring back the 2 dudes that showed up when it counted....and will cost as much as the one who barley did.

I understand your frustration with Burakovsky and share them as well, but somethings to consider and that are being overlooked regarding his performance in the SC finals. As you mentioned there were the two great goals in the Conference finals against TB but in the Finals he had two sweet passes/assists, one to Kempny who then made the great pass to Eller for the goal but in game 5 in the third period it was him who passed from the side below the dots out to Connolly who subsequently took the shot with Eller picking up the rebound for the winning goal. The kid still has potential and I like him on that third line.

 

[um]

Ovechkin shut out of the post season all stars. Wow.

You thought Ovechkin would be above Giroux's 102 points and Halls Hart worthy season? Don't be a homer man.

Im just surprised they got Giroux's position right.

 

[Silky mitts]

Buying out Orpik isn’t really an option. It only saves $1.5m against the cap. Trading him is though and if we have to trade either Orpik or Burt to sign our big FA’s, it has to be Orpik. You guys talking about trading Burt to sign DSP and Beagle are losing it.

Re Orpik: no chance they buy him out. Zero. And not because of his a lie etc...,because it would make 1000x more sense to trade him retained. Buy out will count 2.5m vs cap this year as it is (and 1.5m next year).....so a 2.5m retained Orpik would get a nice return. At 3m he’s a huge add to someone.

Re Burakovsky: you aren’t just letting him go. You are getting futures prospects and/or picks back. Which this team needs badly. So it’s Beagle/DSP and a nice futures haul instead of Bura. So basically our Cup winning/PK’ing/Clutch 4th line and at least 1-2 major futures parts —versus — an middle 6W that they won the Cup without (for the most part)

Seems a no brainer to me

Did someone state they didn't understand how it works? Did we need that dropped on the group?

Try Orpik at 2.75-3m in salary and see if he has value. If you want to get specfic, it would be Orpik at 3m exactly (which would mirror the 2.5m in dead cap space).

Again, bringing up a buy out seems like a waste of discussion....or worse. Not sure what the point was.

Page before had 2 different explanations a few posts apart.