Speculation: Caps General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) -- 2018-19 Still The Champs/TDL Edition - Pt. 8

[Ridley Simon]

Would be really upset if they make a trade with the Kings. LAK have literally no one at this point who you'd look at and be confident "The Caps need this guy". Especially players like Hagelin and Lewis who are basically bums these days.

Another good take

 

[artilector]

Here's a difficult question -- what would it take to re-sign Hagelin, and at what salary/term could it be worth it for the Caps? 3M x 3? x4?

If Hagelin-Eller-Connolly do well in playoffs, it could get pretty tempting to keep that unit together, especially if you start having doubts about the (future) performance of a bigger salary player. For example, it could quite possibly come down to keeping, for about the same cap hit, either Connolly+Hagelin, or Oshie+min.salary player...

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

I wouldn’t break the bank on the bottom 6.

 

[Melkor]

Here's a difficult question -- what would it take to re-sign Hagelin, and at what salary/term could it be worth it for the Caps? 3M x 3? x4?

If Hagelin-Eller-Connolly do well in playoffs, it could get pretty tempting to keep that unit together, especially if you start having doubts about the (future) performance of a bigger salary player. For example, it could quite possibly come down to keeping, for about the same cap hit, either Connolly+Hagelin, or Oshie+min.salary player...

Depends on how will Hagelin produce down the road. The fact that the guy has wheels was well known before the trade but the question mark was what he has to offer offensively.

 

[txpd]

Depends on how will Hagelin produce down the road. The fact that the guy has wheels was well known before the trade but the question mark was what he has to offer offensively.

I am not sure that the offensive production does any more than set the market. The more he scores, the more he'll cost. I don't think lack of production would effect the Caps interest in keeping him. He was brought in for the PK and the forecheck after that. I think the more he produces on the scoresheet the harder it will be to keep him. I think for MacLellan the offensive production is gravy.

 

[Melkor]

I am not sure that the offensive production does any more than set the market. The more he scores, the more he'll cost. I don't think lack of production would effect the Caps interest in keeping him. He was brought in for the PK and the forecheck after that. I think the more he produces on the scoresheet the harder it will be to keep him. I think for MacLellan the offensive production is gravy.

I'm going by what Reirden said himself. At one point he was asked why Jaskin doesn't get the sweater regularly despite playing well when he does. Reirden said something along the lines of Jaskin's working hard but he has to produce. I believe this is the same reason why DSP was sent down. Hagelin might earn himself next contract just by using his great footwork all over the ice, I somewhat agree, but it would be a contradiction to what was said about Jaskin earlier in the season.

 

[txpd]

I'm going by what Reirden said himself. At one point he was asked why Jaskin doesn't get the sweater regularly despite playing well when he does. Reirden said something along the lines of Jaskin's working hard but he has to produce. I believe this is the same reason why DSP was sent down. Hagelin might earn himself next contract just by using his great footwork all over the ice, I somewhat agree, but it would be a contradiction to what was said about Jaskin earlier in the season.

It doesn't really contradict anything. Its two different questions. The answer to the Hagelin question is in fact in the answers to the Jaskin question back then. Jaskin got scratched in favor of Stephenson because of the penalty kill. Stephenson got scratched for Jaskin because of the prospect of production. They were both scratched for DSP with hopes that he would provide either while hoping for both.

The issue was the PK. Reirden said it multiple times that Jaskin tries hard but that the he couldn't trust him with important PK minutes. Enter Hagelin. The question of the PK is solved. Jaskin doesn't play again this season except maybe for a work out game after the playoff seed is clinched or an injury.

 

[Melkor]

It doesn't really contradict anything. Its two different questions. The answer to the Hagelin question is in fact in the answers to the Jaskin question back then. Jaskin got scratched in favor of Stephenson because of the penalty kill. Stephenson got scratched for Jaskin because of the prospect of production. They were both scratched for DSP with hopes that he would provide either while hoping for both.

The issue was the PK. Reirden said it multiple times that Jaskin tries hard but that the he couldn't trust him with important PK minutes. Enter Hagelin. The question of the PK is solved. Jaskin doesn't play again this season except maybe for a work out game after the playoff seed is clinched or an injury.

So you're saying they should resign Hagelin for PK alone? I don't think Hagelin wants to resign for the money that are supposed to be paid to one dimensional penalty killers. I think a player with his resume might want something between 2 and 3 a year and he'll get that if he brings something offensively in the playoffs. Otherwise, sorry, great pkers with 10 pts a season dont cut it for me .

 

[txpd]

So you're saying they should resign Hagelin for PK alone? I don't think Hagelin wants to resign for the money that are supposed to be paid to one dimensional penalty killers. I think a player with his resume might want something between 2 and 3 a year and he'll get that if he brings something offensively in the playoffs. Otherwise, sorry, great pkers with 10 pts a season dont cut it for me .

IF...you are basing what you are saying on the IF, after I said that the offense he produces sets the market. I don't see any reason why he cant demand a multi year contract as a Pk/forecheck specialist. I so no indication that he is about to lose his jet speed.

If he has a DSP like post season, he is going to make bank. If the Caps make the finals with his disruption a contributing factor without much offense, he is still getting a 2 or 3 year contract. He is a proven part of a winning program.

He has had 2pts and 3pts the last two playoff runs in Pittsburgh? Are you expecting a dramatic increase on that?

 

[Melkor]

IF...you are basing what you are saying on the IF, after I said that the offense he produces sets the market. I don't see any reason why he cant demand a multi year contract as a Pk/forecheck specialist. I so no indication that he is about to lose his jet speed.

If he has a DSP like post season, he is going to make bank. If the Caps make the finals with his disruption a contributing factor without much offense, he is still getting a 2 or 3 year contract. He is a proven part of a winning program.

He has had 2pts and 3pts the last two playoff runs in Pittsburgh? Are you expecting a dramatic increase on that?

I am. 2-3 pts is a terrible output. He's playing in the top-9 now. He has to produce more than in the last playoffs. And I don't believe he's going to get a serious contract if all he's going to do is running around and kill penalties. Something like DSP's numbers last year would be satisfying. I'm okay with not scoring clutch goals but he has to contribute on the scoresheet one way or another. Any black hole in the top-9 might cost the team a crucial game or two.

 

[Misery74]

I want a 4th line in the postseason to include DSP.

Bura-Dowd-DSP

Based on his play last year, I just don’t see how we can possibly keep him off the ice.

 

[895]

I want a 4th line in the postseason to include DSP.

Bura-Dowd-DSP

Based on his play last year, I just don’t see how we can possibly keep him off the ice.

Based on his play this year.

 

[tenken00]

Speaking of DSP, I know some have said that we are putting him in the AHL to lose weight so he'll be ready for the playoffs, but I just don't see him on the playoff roster anymore unless theres an injury..

 

[twabby]

Speaking of DSP, I know some have said that we are putting him in the AHL to lose weight so he'll be ready for the playoffs, but I just don't see him on the playoff roster anymore unless theres an injury..

Don't agree with this. I think Boyd is a prime candidate to be removed from the lineup at some point, possibly when the winning streak ends.

I think they'll give DSP a game or two in the playoffs to see if he can recapture the magic but I imagine they will not have much patience if he continues to play how he has this regular season.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Don't agree with this. I think Boyd is a prime candidate to be removed from the lineup at some point, possibly when the winning streak ends.

I think they'll give DSP a game or two in the playoffs to see if he can recapture the magic but I imagine they will not have much patience if he continues to play how he has this regular season.

Totally agree. It’s Boyd’s spot to lose, but I think DSP is working up his hangry to get back.

 

[tenken00]

How has DSP looked down there?

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Depends on your view of a hatty I guess?

 

[Misery74]

Based on his play this year.

Based on his play last year.

 

[Langway]

Don't agree with this. I think Boyd is a prime candidate to be removed from the lineup at some point, possibly when the winning streak ends.

I think they'll give DSP a game or two in the playoffs to see if he can recapture the magic but I imagine they will not have much patience if he continues to play how he has this regular season.

While Boyd does stick out in not altogether being ready for the physicality and defensive demands of playoff hockey, there's also Stephenson & Jaskin to keep in consideration depending on the look they're going for. Fair to say that's the most in flux spot in the lineup when healthy and none of them should have a long leash when and if they're ineffective.

 

[txpd]

I am. 2-3 pts is a terrible output. He's playing in the top-9 now. He has to produce more than in the last playoffs. And I don't believe he's going to get a serious contract if all he's going to do is running around and kill penalties. Something like DSP's numbers last year would be satisfying. I'm okay with not scoring clutch goals but he has to contribute on the scoresheet one way or another. Any black hole in the top-9 might cost the team a crucial game or two.

What are we talking about now? We were talking about his contract demands. You seem to be saying that either he produces so much that the Caps cant afford to keep him or you don't want him.

 

[Futures Passed]

Depends on your view of a hatty I guess?

FWIW, he had two assists the game prior to that as well.

 

[txpd]

There is like no chance that DSP doesn't play come playoffs. He falls into the Joel Ward category. The style and level of play in the playoffs comes to his strenths. The other teams in the east had to fully know that the Caps would use him in the playoffs as soon as the salary cap was lifted. I am a little surprised somebody didn't take him just to get him away from the Caps. Boyd, like Grubauer last season, isn't going to get yanked out of the lineup at the get go. That would be damaging to a player they intend to keep. It says the wrong things to his linemates on a line that is performing. But DSP will be the first scratched player to get in the game. Only injuries get Jaskin and Stephenson back in from here out.

 

[traparatus]

IF...you are basing what you are saying on the IF, after I said that the offense he produces sets the market. I don't see any reason why he cant demand a multi year contract as a Pk/forecheck specialist. I so no indication that he is about to lose his jet speed.

If he has a DSP like post season, he is going to make bank. If the Caps make the finals with his disruption a contributing factor without much offense, he is still getting a 2 or 3 year contract. He is a proven part of a winning program.

He has had 2pts and 3pts the last two playoff runs in Pittsburgh? Are you expecting a dramatic increase on that?

Regarding Hagelin, I don't think you can commit any more than $1.5m to a guy like him. A PKer, high energy, solid defensively player who doesn't produce. He's been overpaid for years and if he wants to go for another big payday, I don't want it to be with the Caps.

If you sign Connolly for $3m+, Hagelin for $3m and play them with Eller, then at some point next season we'll all be asking why our $10m 3rd line hasn't scored a goal in 10 games.

 

[Melkor]

What are we talking about now? We were talking about his contract demands. You seem to be saying that either he produces so much that the Caps cant afford to keep him or you don't want him.

He either somehow produces enough to help the team win the Cup or make the finals (this team won't win the cup with one of its best 9 forwards having 2 pts at the end) or I don't want him on the team next season. I think that's obvious from my last post.

 

[txpd]

Regarding Hagelin, I don't think you can commit any more than $1.5m to a guy like him. A PKer, high energy, solid defensively player who doesn't produce. He's been overpaid for years and if he wants to go for another big payday, I don't want it to be with the Caps.

If you sign Connolly for $3m+, Hagelin for $3m and play them with Eller, then at some point next season we'll all be asking why our $10m 3rd line hasn't scored a goal in 10 games.

There's a lot of room between 1.5 and 3.0m just as a place to start. Second, its an $8m 3rd line now. Is 10m that much more? For a team that historically takes a lot of minor penalties, having an game changer penalty killer like Hagelin is a good thing. That he seems to have nearly seamless chemistry with this team is just another thing to consider.

So, If he wants to go for another big payday and there is another big payday out there for him, I don't see an opportunity to keep him. At the same time a one year $1.5m contract is unnecessarily low. That falls into the we don't want you category. If he signed a 2 year contract at between $2.0 and 2.25m, I would be fine with that considering the role he plays and the ice time he eats. His playoff experience is valuable too. No way I choose Riley Barber over either Connolly or Hagelin, if keeping the veterans is an option.