Rumor: Canadiens not getting fair offers for Max Pacioretty

[strongcomp05]

Dichotomy or trains? I will explain one or the other, not both.

Oh I get both, you were trying to be witty and failed.

 

[belair]

RNH would be a fair offer for an extended Princessetty at under 6

From Montreal's perspective? Sure. Why would the Oilers do that? RNH is 25.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

From Montreal's perspective? Sure. Why would the Oilers do that? RNH is 25.

Its giving up some future for some now.. Pacioretty on McDavid's wing could result in an uptick in goals.. would be the thought

 

[mashedpotato]

Toronto Maple Leaf fans are lol'ing at the Canadians.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Worse. Far, far worse.

Ehhh... not sure about that

In the last few years here’s the record of ‘everyone knew they were bad when they happened’ deals

Hall for Larsson
Eberle for Strome

Vs

Subban for Weber
Sergachev for Drouin
Galchenyuk for Domi

... gross. No one wins there. I’ll give Edmonton the worse management crown because as bad as Bergevin has f***ed up the Habs he didn’t give up a hart trophy winner. Yet. Rebuilding with Price and Weber’s contracts on the books is going to be a taaaaalll order.

 

[AKL]

He wants to go to a fair? I'll buy him tickets to a fair in exchange for Pacioretty.
I won't go with him though, so if that's what he's looking for, I'll pass.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Its giving up some future for some now.. Pacioretty on McDavid's wing could result in an uptick in goals.. would be the thought

RNH scored more goals than Pacioretty did last year, in a similar number of games, and was pacing to outscore him even when he was carrying the corpse of Lucic around. RNH stays. If you’re going by right now, RNH is the better player.

 

[ConnorMcNugesaitl]

Its giving up some future for some now.. Pacioretty on McDavid's wing could result in an uptick in goals.. would be the thought

Oilers need to add a top 6 player not trade one for an older less versatile one. Keep in mind there's a very good chance Draisaitl spends some time on McDavid's wing. RNH is much more valuable to Edmonton than Pacioretty is.

I would love Pacioretty in Edmonton but Montreal wouldn't like what I believe he's worth especially since it would be hard to re-sign him unless Montreal is taking Lucic.

 

[Notsince67]

We'll take him.

Levio, Carrick, a 2nd....AND!!!

and we'll even give you a centre! Josh Jorris!

Not Jorris. Gauthier. Big frenchman

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

RNH scored more goals than Pacioretty did last year, in a similar number of games, and was pacing to outscore him even when he was carrying the corpse of Lucic around. RNH stays. If you’re going by right now, RNH is the better player.

Oilers need to add a top 6 player not trade one for an older less versatile one. Keep in mind there's a very good chance Draisaitl spends some time on McDavid's wing. RNH is much more valuable to Edmonton than Pacioretty is.

I would love Pacioretty in Edmonton but Montreal wouldn't like what I believe he's worth especially since it would be hard to re-sign him unless Montreal is taking Lucic.

Fair enough guys ,, probably right ,, I just thought the value might be close.. I personally would keep RNH as well.

 

[Notsince67]

Ehhh... not sure about that

In the last few years here’s the record of ‘everyone knew they were bad when they happened’ deals

Hall for Larsson
Eberle for Strome

Vs

Subban for Weber
Sergachev for Drouin
Galchenyuk for Domi

... gross. No one wins there. I’ll give Edmonton the worse management crown because as bad as Bergevin has ****ed up the Habs he didn’t give up a hart trophy winner. Yet. Rebuilding with Price and Weber’s contracts on the books is going to be a taaaaalll order.

No way you can tank a season if Price and Weber are healthy. They are in a dead zone

 

[MrBucket]

RNH would be a fair offer for an extended Princessetty at under 6

JVR gets 7 mil/year... How the hell would Pacioretty sign for less than 6...

 

[Hally BlackWood]

water is wet, sky is blue

Montreal sucks , boo hoo hoo

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

JVR gets 7 mil/year... How the hell would Pacioretty sign for less than 6...

You mean why the hell ? How remains the same no matter the amount

 

[belair]

Its giving up some future for some now.. Pacioretty on McDavid's wing could result in an uptick in goals.. would be the thought

I don't think it's completely out of the realm of possibility that Ryan Nugent Hopkins sees that same 'uptick' with a full season next to McDavid.

 

[MrBucket]

You mean why the hell ? How remains the same no matter the amount

"How" or "Why", who cares.

Unless you meant less than 6 YEARS, and not less than 6 MIL, because Pacioretty is not signing anything below 7.5-8.0 mil a year.

 

[RickP]

Pacioretty is a future UFA. He decides who he wants to sign with next year. So he can either be traded as a rental player, or in a sign-and-trade deal with the team he wants to play for.

Unfortunately for Bergevin, no team is going to give an impact player for a rental player. And, the team that Pacioretty wants to play for is not going to give an impact player for him, when they can sign him for free next summer. Maybe they'll be willing to give a 1st and an ok prospect to get him a year earlier. Maybe a team would be willing to pay the same price to get him as a rental player.

Either way, Bergevin is not going to get an amazing return for Pacioretty. That ship has sailed. The best he can get is some decent picks/prospects, which wouldn't be bad. I just think Bergevin expects too much.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

What is a market value offer? Isn't what a GM is willing to pay for a specific player in a trade "market value"? Because market value includes things like recent performance, overall play, being good in the room, etc. And when there are questions about several of those things should it be a surprise that a players value isn't as high as you'd like?

Exactly. Market value for Montreal could be very, very far from reality.

 

[belair]

Ehhh... not sure about that

In the last few years here’s the record of ‘everyone knew they were bad when they happened’ deals

Hall for Larsson
Eberle for Strome

Vs

Subban for Weber
Sergachev for Drouin
Galchenyuk for Domi

... gross. No one wins there. I’ll give Edmonton the worse management crown because as bad as Bergevin has ****ed up the Habs he didn’t give up a hart trophy winner. Yet. Rebuilding with Price and Weber’s contracts on the books is going to be a taaaaalll order.

The Oilers moves were precipitated by the need to shed salary and improve their defense. They also managed to get a bit younger in the process. They moved two wingers and acquired an impact defenseman and a third line center.

The Habs motives are murky. Subban for Weber takes the cake for me. It accomplished nothing but making them older. They then proceeded to trade two young players of considerable value to their organization for two left wingers while managing to bungle the opportunity to capitalize on the value of their captain--another left winger.

The Habs roster management over the past couple seasons has been far more questionable. Tell me what it actually accomplished.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

"How" or "Why", who cares.

Unless you meant less than 6 YEARS, and not less than 6 MIL, because Pacioretty is not signing anything below 7.5-8.0 mil a year.

Ok... so I was wrong about the value. RNH is at 6 .. so in order to make that a good value trade MP has to be in that neighborhood for it to be remotely considered... nobody seemed to like it so ... scratch it and move on

 

[JohnKordicsGhost]

Wahhhhh other GM’s aren’t offering their best young roster players or blue chip prospects for a guy that is coming off the worst year of his career and I publicly said we will not re-sign. ITS NOT FAIR *stomps feet, holds breath, turns blue*.

Cry me a ****ing river. I feel bad for Habs fans. Their mismanagement and poor utilization of assets is almost as bad as ours.

Almost?? A jack russel terrier could coach your team to the stanley cup finals with the amount of top end talent youve drafted in the last 8 years or so. we've squandered just about everything of value we had. I'd happily trade my habs cap for an oilers hat rn. wtf

 

[A1LeafNation]

Lol what did Bergevin think was going to happen after it was openly said they won't extend him.

Leverage gone.

 

[Leafs87]

Leaked or someone just threw **** at the wall and hoped it stuck ?

Unless the GM comes out and says that specifically, no matter how dumb the GM is, doesn't make it true.

Look at the number of people who already misquoted it.

No one misquoted it. Believe it or not the fact that it got out it’s out and it destroyed his value clearly. Not like bergevin came out and denied it either.

 

[NobleSix]

Toronto Maple Leaf fans are lol'ing at the Canadians.

Wow thanks for sharing such an important piece of information. I bet everyone here was just dying to find out what leaf fans think of the Canadiens.

Should have put a big spoiler tag on that massive revelation. I'm kind of disappointed that the mystery is now finally solved.

 

[admiralcadillac]

RNH scored more goals than Pacioretty did last year, in a similar number of games, and was pacing to outscore him even when he was carrying the corpse of Lucic around. RNH stays. If you’re going by right now, RNH is the better player.

Thank god ChaoticOrange comes once again to the rescue - one can't forget every Oilers player is incredibly good at hockey and supremely valuable.

That's why they are such a fantastic hockey team, perennial contenders.