Confirmed with Link: Calvin de Haan back in Raleigh for a PTO

[Navin R Slavin]

I was so excited. you got me dead to rights. not that I had much credibility to detract from to start, but that's fantastic.

shoulda just gone back, edited the old post, and called him a dirty liar smdh

 

[bleedgreen]

Or, it could really be a try out, with no offer eventually tendered. Depending on the amount of tread left on CDH's tires, I could see it coming down to him and Lajoie battling for the last D spot on the roster.

Not saying I think that will be the case, just that it could be.

Our coach loves vets and already knows CDH. Of course it could not work out if he’s truly lost it but I think Lajoie would have to have an amazing camp to get the spot over CDH for the year. I would think we’d acquire someone else for that spot if it was the case. Or one of the RD’s moves over.

 

[LakeLivin]

Our coach loves vets and already knows CDH. Of course it could not work out if he’s truly lost it but I think Lajoie would have to have an amazing camp to get the spot over CDH for the year. I would think we’d acquire someone else for that spot if it was the case. Or one of the RD’s moves over.

Could be. But with the equivalent of basically a season of NHL experience (over twice Chatfield's) and over 200 AHL games, it's not like Lajoie is a 19yo rookie.

One of the factors that I suspect the Borg might take into consideration is the possibility that Lajoie could have the potential to be a cost controlled solid 3rd pair (or extra) LD for several years going forward while our yutes have a chance to develop. Without having the expertise or exposure to actually evaluate the following players (or other unknown options), I'm thinking crudely along the lines of comparing Lajoie to Chatfield playing his off side, a DeHaan that will need to show he still has a decent amount of tread left on the tires, or a fill in along the lines of a Brendan Smith type replacement player.

While Rod undoubtedly has one of the more influential voices at the table with respect to the roster, supposedly the Borg is a truly collaborative body. While experience is a valuable factor, it's just one factor, and hopefully the Borg has learned from recent experience not to over rate it compared to all of the other relevant factors. I'm thinking recent examples like Forsling on one side and Brendan Smith on the other (heck, lets throw Martinook in there as well). While an outlier, even Jarvis might have made Rod a little more open minded with respect to players with less NHL experience.

Again, not arguing for Lajoie or suggesting he will happen, just pointing out that depending on what he shows in camp, I think he may not necessarily be as much of a long shot as many others think.

 

[bleedgreen]

Could be. But with the equivalent of basically a season of NHL experience (over twice Chatfield's) and over 200 AHL games, it's not like Lajoie is a 19yo rookie.

One of the factors that I suspect the Borg might take into consideration is the possibility that Lajoie could have the potential to be a cost controlled solid 3rd pair (or extra) LD for several years going forward while our yutes have a chance to develop. Without having the expertise or exposure to actually evaluate the following players (or other unknown options), I'm thinking crudely along the lines of comparing Lajoie to Chatfield playing his off side, a DeHaan that will need to show he still has a decent amount of tread left on the tires, or a fill in along the lines of a Brendan Smith type replacement player.

While Rod undoubtedly has one of the more influential voices at the table with respect to the roster, supposedly the Borg is a truly collaborative body. While experience is a valuable factor, it's just one factor, and hopefully the Borg has learned from recent experience not to over rate it compared to all of the other relevant factors. I'm thinking recent examples like Forsling on one side and Brendan Smith on the other (heck, lets throw Martinook in there as well). While an outlier, even Jarvis might have made Rod a little more open minded with respect to players with less NHL experience.

Again, not arguing for Lajoie or suggesting he will happen, just pointing out that depending on what he shows in camp, I think he may not necessarily be as much of a long shot as many others think.

I agree that the Borg is a collective group and Rod certainly doesn’t run them, in fact I’d assume his Borg input is towards the bottom of the list (before training camp) based on past decisions they may or may not have learned from. He plays who we wants to play and where. If he’s playing CDH through the preseason over Lajoie even if there are financial factors I think Rod would win in that case. If he isn’t going to play the guy the Borg prefers they probably aren’t going to prioritize that guy. If CDH is one million vs league minimum for Lajoie (or whatever his nhl pay is) I think Rod wins there. But agreed, if Lajoie outplays him then that’ll be that.

As far as Jarvis and Rod changing I think there’s a couple of factors there. First he thinks of forwards differently than the D in my opinion, the priority for vets has shown itself there stronger than the forwards. Svech and Foegele showed that if you made the commitment to defense first while creating enough offense for the role being chosen for you then it didn’t matter. This theory isn’t really tested though as we haven’t had a vet that could match or outclass any of the three mentioned offensively that sat or bumped down for them.

Jarvis is actually the only forward who forced himself up the lineup that fast on merit. He repeatedly showed Rod he could back check but equally important he is already top notch veteran level at taking care of the puck offensively in ways that rarely turns in the other direction. Svech back checked hard but still isn’t close to Jarvis in this aspect, his passing choices and execution is at times nothing short of brutal. He needs to pass from below the goal line (where he’s usually very good from), any other pass needs to go to a wide open point man because he messes up all the rest pretty consistently.

That’s the real reason imo that Jarvis passed Necas on the way up. Necas is light on the puck and doesn’t always make great decisions with it, as well as losing his confidence so he wasn’t putting up the points to offset that issue.

I don’t think Rod is more open minded. He has standards you have to hit and if you don’t the next guy that can hit them gets your spot. That’s Necas vs Jarvis. I think the standard is higher for defense with Rod, and that’s I think where the preference for an experienced guy who can listen to the specifics Rod wants of the role then go out and execute shows itself.

 

[IronLion]

What's next? Haula? lmao

Ha, please no!

 

[NotOpie]

I'm not sure I'd characterize Rod's roster moves as a preference for veterans. I do believe that he has a very strong bias toward responsibility.....responsibility in the defensive zone, responsibility with the puck, etc.

I believe it was @Boom Boom Apathy who listed the rookies and youngsters that Rod has put in the line up, trusting them to do the job asked of them. I believe that's what the Necas process exemplifies. As far as Martinook is concerned, having him in a 4th line role and a locker room role is great.... he's good at those. Putting him on the 1st line or the 2nd line seems less logical to us fans, but to Rod (conjecture) he seems to like to build lines that include guys who make space and cycle well down low, making room for the skill guys to do their thing. I'm not a fan of this as I believe we have other players who can do this and still provide higher levels of skill.

Regarding the 3rd pairing, I can see Lajoie and De Haan being the competition for 3LD. With the apparent emergence of Seeley, I think Lajoie is a placeholder until they actually see what they have. My guess is that Seeley plays this season in Chicago, is groomed for 3LD in 22-23, and then is targeted to take the SKjei role (I doubt strongly we re-sign Brady) in 23-24. I think we'll see a similar progression with Morrow following this year in college: all or part of a year in Chicago, 3rd pairing role the next season, and hopefully, 1st pairing the year after.

BTW, the defense in Chicago is going to be very offensively oriented this season, IMO, especially on the right side.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I doubt Lajoie makes it passed the 2nd cut of training camp. Lajoie has some good qualities that fit our style but he hasn’t lut his skating, defensive decision making, defensive positioning, and shot all together enough to believe he has a true roster shot. He does fine in relief for a a couple of games at 13-15 minutes a night but he isn’t a guy who we would trust long enough for another team to develop a plan against him, playing 16+ a night.

He’ll get waived and make almost double what he did last season in Chicago.

 

[Borsig]

Ha, please no!

Haula is one of the few ex canes that actually gets booed. In fact I actually can't think of any others in recent memory that do.

 

[MinJaBen]

Haula is one of the few ex canes that actually gets booed. In fact I actually can't think of any others in recent memory that do.

Lindholm certainly gets some boos after his sköl clap nonsense.

 

[NotOpie]

Lindholm certainly gets some boos after his sköl clap nonsense.

I've got to give it to Elias....that was actually pretty funny, despite the loss.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I've got to give it to Elias....that was actually pretty funny, despite the loss.

I didn't see anything funny about it. He was just being a salty bitch to a fanbase who had never given him any reason to act that way.

Any scrub can stand there and mock the crowd after a win. Very, very few do it at the pro level. The only other player who has done it in Raleigh in the past decade-plus was Brendan Lemieux, who's not exactly good company to be in.

 

[Canes]

I think we should just ice 9 d-men

Slavin - Burns
Skjei - Pesce
de Haan - Bear
Coghlan - Chatfield
Lajoie

Oh wait, we have a potential logjam at forward too even without Pacioretty and the eventual Kase injury?

I didn't see anything funny about it. He was just being a salty bitch to a fanbase who had never given him any reason to act that way.

Any scrub can stand there and mock the crowd after a win. Very, very few do it at the pro level. The only other player who has done it in Raleigh in the past decade-plus was Brendan Lemieux, who's not exactly good company to be in.

Brendan Lemieux is an actual scrub. I'd take Lindholm back any day. He kinda had a reason to be salty about being traded. It's not like he was a player with a horrible attitude that forced his way out of town. The borg just didn't believe in him and/or want to pay him, and used him to shake up the team in a big trade.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

I didn't see anything funny about it. He was just being a salty bitch to a fanbase who had never given him any reason to act that way.

He was butthurt because he got traded. Fine. That's something for the front office, not for the fans, who were never anything but supportive to him.

 

[tarheelhockey]

He was butthurt because he got traded. Fine. That's something for the front office, not for the fans, who were never anything but supportive to him.

Exactly. Doing something like that to a fanbase who stood behind him from start to finish, that's scummy shit. If you have a problem with Don Waddell, go talk to Don Waddell.

And lest we forget, the reason he did it is because he didn't like the boos that were directed at... Bill Peters.

 

[bleedgreen]

I didn't see anything funny about it. He was just being a salty bitch to a fanbase who had never given him any reason to act that way.

Any scrub can stand there and mock the crowd after a win. Very, very few do it at the pro level. The only other player who has done it in Raleigh in the past decade-plus was Brendan Lemieux, who's not exactly good company to be in.

Sounded like the crowd was booing him, chicken or the egg on who was doing it first I suppose. I don’t blame him for being salty at all for what TD implied on the way out the door, that the guys they were sending (seemed like Hanifin and Lindholm) out didn’t want to win.

We barely negotiated (we’ve seen that plenty since) and when we weren’t getting a bargain out of them quickly turned and used them to make a splash/change the team kind of trade. Kicking them on their way out was not a classy way to start on top of just being untrue as both players underachieved but never had their work ethic questioned by anyone. Quite the opposite with Lindholm by Peters to tell the truth, who loved his game. At that time there was no reason for him to distance himself from Peters.

Fresh off that, with the storm surge being mocked Including by some supposedly some in the room (and I’m sure he still kept in touch with friends there)…..I thought it was funnier than shit but I get how the locals got pissed and if I was one would maybe be singing another tune. I thought the storm surge was super cheesy when it started. It grew on me when everyone else lost their shit about it and we got creative. I dont think it matters much either way how the guys do it now.

 

[tarheelhockey]

We barely negotiated (we’ve seen that plenty since) and when we weren’t getting a bargain out of them quickly turned and used them to make a splash/change the team kind of trade. Kicking them on their way out was not a classy way to start on top of just being untrue as both players underachieved but never had their work ethic questioned by anyone. Quite the opposite with Lindholm by Peters to tell the truth, who loved his game.

Who's the "we" in that sentence? I don't recall him being treated with anything but warmth by the fanbase. But it was the fanbase he chose to lash out at, not management.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Who's the "we" in that sentence? I don't recall him being treated with anything but warmth by the fanbase. But it was the fanbase he chose to lash out at, not management.

I'm guessing maybe some fans booed him during the game. Meh. Whatever.

 

[CanesUltimate11]

I'm guessing maybe some fans booed him during the game. Meh. Whatever.

From what I recall they did a welcome back video for him, Hanafin and Peters and the crowd booed Peters. So maybe Lindholm thought they were booing them as well?

 

[bleedgreen]

Who's the "we" in that sentence? I don't recall him being treated with anything but warmth by the fanbase. But it was the fanbase he chose to lash out at, not management.

Not sure how to reply, there’s many “we’s” in there and others are referencing the other part of my post you left out. The first we is the team didn’t negotiate really with either Hanifin or Lindy. They made a big deal about agent meetings the week before the draft, and when the two players wanted market value the meeting went south and they were gone a day or two later. None of which made sense, they had all summer into fall to negotiate. No one takes their top young players and puts a deadline before the draft to get it done. Necas had a horrible year and no one blinked when he wasn’t signed before the draft. Why would you? Why did those meetings matter so much? Then TD made comments about how they didn’t want to win. Bush league, if you’re gonna trade them to shake the team up just do it. Don’t talk smack about them. No one would be happy about that.

I wasn’t there but I’d heard there was booing during the game and during the presentation. I’m sure he’d be insulted by that in general, regardless of who got booed. Maybe he over reacted but I’m sure winning the game was closing the door for him and an emotional moment and he went with it. I laughed, the storm surge was 50/50 for me though.

Not sure if thats what you were referring to.

 

[NotOpie]

I didn't see anything funny about it. He was just being a salty bitch to a fanbase who had never given him any reason to act that way.

Any scrub can stand there and mock the crowd after a win. Very, very few do it at the pro level. The only other player who has done it in Raleigh in the past decade-plus was Brendan Lemieux, who's not exactly good company to be in.

I'm guessing maybe some fans booed him during the game. Meh. Whatever.

That's kind of how I felt about the whole thing...."meh, whatever". It was more of what I'd call snarky I didn't think it was shitty or anything. I thought he was making fun of the Storm Surge (something the hockey "traditionalists" did or they bitched about it). It was funny timing....in the end I didn't care one way or the other. I like Elias and I thought he was trying to be funny. To each his own.

 

[The Faulker 27]

Exactly. Doing something like that to a fanbase who stood behind him from start to finish, that's scummy shit. If you have a problem with Don Waddell, go talk to Don Waddell.

And lest we forget, the reason he did it is because he didn't like the boos that were directed at... Bill Peters.

I've got a problem with Don, but he hasn't shown up to any of the Bojangles fight locations. I don't think he knows how to add the invitations I'm sending to his calendar.