Spitz
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Every year, a couple guys are picked in the later rounds (fifth and on) who end up being pretty nice NHL players. Anybody have any favourites for this year's draft?
I don't know how far down he is going to go, but with Montoya, Schwarz, Shantz, Peters, Dubnyk and Schneider, people are going to again overlook David Brown G, for Notre Dame. http://und.collegesports.com/sports/m-hockey/mtt/brown_david00.htmlSpitz said:Every year, a couple guys are picked in the later rounds (fifth and on) who end up being pretty nice NHL players. Anybody have any favourites for this year's draft?
George Bachul said:I don't know how far down he is going to go, but with Montoya, Schwarz, Shantz, Peters, Dubnyk and Schneider, people are going to again overlook David Brown G, for Notre Dame. http://und.collegesports.com/sports/m-hockey/mtt/brown_david00.html
I don't want to get into a Redline Report debate because like any other scouting service they get some right and some wrong. Woodlief had David Brown ranked number two in the draft last year at one point.(And this is where you have to question the rankings, Jimmy Howard wasn't even in his top 10) That notwithstanding, I liked Brown last year, and like him again this year.TeeBall said:Probably a good chance for Brown or another goaltender to be a late round gem. Lots of examples of goaltenders being late picks or not drafted and shining a few years down the road. Any thoughts why Brown may have been passed by last year...size? My thought is that the top 10 or 12 goaltenders will go basically in order then the teams will start looking to kids who project well in their minds. European tenders playing in elite leagues already and have a place to develop or NCAA tenders that will develop for 4 years at no cost to the team would seem to be the route that teams will take. Time will develop them and another couple gems will emerge from this draft, as they always do.
George Bachul said:I don't want to get into a Redline Report debate because like any other scouting service they get some right and some wrong. Woodlief had David Brown ranked number two in the draft last year at one point.(And this is where you have to question the rankings, Jimmy Howard wasn't even in his top 10) That notwithstanding, I liked Brown last year, and like him again this year.
Here is the RLR June 16, 2003 report on David Brown:
SLEEPER:
Dave Brown — It's not normal for us to list our No. 2 ranked player at any position as a sleeper, but Brown's circumstances are a bit different. He remained in Tier II with Hamilton this season to preserve his NCAA eligibility (he'll be attending Notre Dame in the fall), so naturally he didn't receive big-time exposure and scouting attention, plus it's difficult to gauge a goalie's true talent level playing against inferior shooters. In some respects, Brown was actually a bit of a disappointment for RLR this year. We expected him to dominate at this level, and there were times when he was no better than ordinary. Still, he has all the tools that attracted us to him 18 months ago when we first saw him. Most notable among these is extreme quickness and agility, a competitive nature and good goaltender's temperament, and the confidence to challenge shooters. Call him our total hunch pick among the goalies.
No. Player HT/WT Catch DOB Team Projected
1. Marc-Andre Fleury 6-0/174 L 11-28-84 Cape Breton (QMJHL) First round
2. Dave Brown 5-11/175 L 2-1-85 Hamilton (OPJHL) Second
3. Patrick Ehelechner 6-2/170 L 9-23-84 EV Landshut (Germany) Second
4. Gerald Coleman 6-4/181 L 4-3-85 London (OHL) Third
5. David Tremblay 6-1/179 L 8-16-85 Hull (QMJHL) Third
6. Kevin Nastiuk 6-1/175 L 7-20-85 Medicine Hat (WHL) Third
7. Rejean Beauchemin 6-2/186 L 5-5-85 Prince Albert (WHL) Third
8. Ryan Munce 6-2/180 L 4-16-85 Sarnia (OHL) Third
9. Corey Crawford 6-0/168 L 12-31-84 Moncton (QMJHL) Third
TeeBall said:Just brings to light the significant variation in opinions on goaltenders. Talking to a number of scouts this year their thoughts are wide ranging. I think some of it has to do with who they have seen, some relates to preconceived notions about styles, and then again some of it relates to a lack of understanding of the position. The one attribute that I think is most important is what they have between the ears...how tough are they from a mental perspective. That seems to be the common thread between the good goaltenders at higher levels. Lots of different styles and sizes and even disparities in athletic abilities but the common denominator is mental toughness. Difficult to measure and even more difficult to uncover at younger ages in a goaltender.
I think there will be a number of surprises again in who gets drafted and where.
Oilers Chick said:I saw Brown several times this season. He was sensational during the first half of the season but struggled in the second half. As I mentioned in another thread, one of his best latter season performances was against Ohio State in the CCHA Playoffs. He made something like 43 stops and got sacked with the loss, but some of those saves he made were real beauties. I agree with the talent assessment given and I agree with what you have to say (especially about mental toughness). How Brown will do in the long run is anyone's guess. I would venture to say that his stock drop somewhat with some scouts because of his late season struggles.
TeeBall said:What do you think of some of the others entering the NCAA this year...or in the case of Montoya and Brown...already in the league. Because of shorter schedules and where these goaltenders come from I think that there is somewhat of a bias toward the major junior kids. I have seen some of these kids and they compare very favorably in my mind to others, yet are ranked far behind from Central Scouting perspective. It is just impossible to properly cover all the leagues and comparasins are difficult for obvious reasons. What are your thoughts, or anyone elses, on the following goaltenders:
Montoya
Schneider
Mannino
Fallon
McIntyre
D'Alba
Alford
Dekanich
Puckz said:Everyone's talking about goalies but the one I like most, and have seen play quite abit, even played against and feel is underrated, is goalie Justin Pogge from Prince George... I have a feeling he will probably be around in the third round, but great athlete, big kid, quick... should be a good pickup for whatever team selects him. Did move up quite significantly after mid-season rankings... Just personal opinion though, my pick for a "buried treasure".
FREE DENTAL CARE said:Here you go with my sleeper pick --
Jordan LaVallee (dob - 5/11/86)
Quebec Remparts LW
Good Size -- 6'3", 218 (listed as 6'2" but is 6'3'+)
Modest Stats -- 69 gp, 11 g, 16 a, 27 pts 111 pim
Intangibles -- played on checking line in Quebec where he was under-utilized (averaged around 12-15min/game); great hands; accumulated 111 penalty minutes with 10 fighting majors; had 228 body checks (league leader for forwards).
He will surprise the team that's lucky enough to get him.
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