Value of: Buffalo and Ottawa

[Zorf]

Karlsson and Bobby both have varying degrees of NTCs in their contracts, and I think Bobby also has a NMC.

Just something to consider when discussing trades.


I'm not saying Buffalo is on their NTC lists, but Buffalo is probably on their NTC lists.

 

[Sabresruletheschool]

That is disgusting

Actually, it isn't. Ottawa would be getting another high quality center that's locked up. Buffalo would be getting a great defensemen who's contract is up in a year and will probably want 11-12 million a year and might explore is UFA status. Buffalo by far takes the greatest risk. Such a great risk that I don't think Buffalo would do it. In two years, O'Reilly will be in Ottawa, and Karlsson will end up going to the Rangers or some crap and Buffalo would be stuck with Ryan's contract.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Hmm...What would I want in addition a a massive cap dump for a 1C? Tough call, I guess like a 3rd round pick.

Non-sarcastic answer: Buffalo isn't in any position to be absorbing albatross contracts like Ryan's, and the only way it would make any sense to deal ROR is if a #1D is coming to Buffalo.

 

[DJN21]

Yeah think Karlsson is a guy Buffalo would want in such a trade. In that case we'd want Ristolainen back as well as a 2018 1st and Mittelstadt with O'reilly for Karlsson and Ryan.

Good lord please stop posting for all of our sakes...

 

[UnleashRasmus]

I am not a fan of trading Karlsson and rebuilding.

What would Buffalo want from Ottawa in a deal based around ROR and Bobby Ryan?

We have NO interest in Bobby Ryan, so unless you want to take Bogosian, Moulson, and Okposo....enjoy that.

 

[is the answer jesus]

Yeah think Karlsson is a guy Buffalo would want in such a trade. In that case we'd want Ristolainen back as well as a 2018 1st and Mittelstadt with O'reilly for Karlsson and Ryan.

Yeah good luck with that.

 

[go4hockey]

Yeah think Karlsson is a guy Buffalo would want in such a trade. In that case we'd want Ristolainen back as well as a 2018 1st and Mittelstadt with O'reilly for Karlsson and Ryan.

Buffalo would never deal this much for a guy with one year left. This would be them restarting their rebuild after one season of EK. You could never get the top value for EK from a team in a rebuild.

 

[rent free]

Yeah think Karlsson is a guy Buffalo would want in such a trade. In that case we'd want Ristolainen back as well as a 2018 1st and Mittelstadt with O'reilly for Karlsson and Ryan.

this is atrocious for buffalo. Half of this would be fair for karlsson

 

[Not Sure]

Karlsson is worth a ton, even with just one year left. Attaching Ryan to him drastically cuts that value. I'd add a top 3 protected 1st and Nylander to ROR if it got us Karlsson, attach Ryan to that and you need to take back salary (Moulson, Bogosian, Okposo) and drop that first to next year's or a second this year.

If you're going to trade one year of Karlsson you need to do it straight up for a haul. Adding Ryan is the worst possible thing Ottawa could do.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Actually, it isn't. Ottawa would be getting another high quality center that's locked up. Buffalo would be getting a great defensemen who's contract is up in a year and will probably want 11-12 million a year and might explore is UFA status. Buffalo by far takes the greatest risk. Such a great risk that I don't think Buffalo would do it. In two years, O'Reilly will be in Ottawa, and Karlsson will end up going to the Rangers or some crap and Buffalo would be stuck with Ryan's contract.

That's why it's disgusting.

 

[Genny Screamer]

Buffalo is rebuilding so we're not trading core pieces like Eichel, ROR, Ristolainen, Mittelsadt, Guhle and Reinhart. This year was disappointing, but the future is bright especially when you consider we are adding another top 5 pick.

 

[Connor McConnor]

ROR centering Mark Stone would Bergeron/Marchand 2.0... god damn

 

[Genny Screamer]

ROR centering Mark Stone would Bergeron/Marchand 2.0... god damn

Buffalo isn't trading ROR.

 

[Howie Hodge]

The original premises leaves little to work with here. ROR has good value; Ryan has negative value.

So you're asking for an asset, while disposing of a liability.

Right off the bat you're setting up what would have to be a King's ransom from Ottawa.

Doesn't work for either team at any level when adjusted to take reality into consideration.

Time to postulate your next trade/value of proposal, cuz this one is weak, even by HF standards....

 

[Howie Hodge]

Buffalo is rebuilding so we're not trading core pieces like Eichel, ROR, Ristolainen, Mittelsadt, Guhle and Reinhart. This year was disappointing, but the future is bright especially when you consider we are adding another top 5 pick.

True as you tell it.

Love your Avatar; spent many a night pounding those Genny Screamers!! 16 oz cases for $8.99! I'm old, what can I say!

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Good lord please stop posting for all of our sakes...

What's with this kid?

 

[MayDayMayDay]

I think a swap around ROR-Karlsson makes sense for both teams. But Karlsson's looming free agency complicates things.

Only way I move ROR is for a #1D man. But I wouldn't want that #1D man walking away after only one season and not get some kind of compensation for it. Therefore, the deal would need some HEFTY future considerations built into it depending on Karlsson re-upping w/ Buffalo or not.

Karlsson
Ryan
Future considerations (depending on Karlsson re-signing)

ROR
Bogosian

 

[pigpen65]

Open to trading ROR, don't want Bobby Ryan

 

[Not Sure]

I think a swap around ROR-Karlsson makes sense for both teams. But Karlsson's looming free agency complicates things.

Only way I move ROR is for a #1D man. But I wouldn't want that #1D man walking away after only one season and not get some kind of compensation for it. Therefore, the deal would need some HEFTY future considerations built into it depending on Karlsson re-upping w/ Buffalo or not.

Karlsson
Ryan
Future considerations (depending on Karlsson re-signing)

ROR
Bogosian

I'd give up 2 extra 1sts conditioned on Karlsson resigning, that's a huge risk to take otherwise.

 

[Sabresruletheschool]

That's why it's disgusting.

I thought you meant for Ottawa lol