GDT: Broadway vs Raleighwood, game 3 7pm, TNT

[Anton Dubinchuk]

I don’t know. I’m not a coach or former player. But having been a former player in various other sports, I think the coaching of the powerplay at all is the issue.

Look at New York. That’s not a “coached” powerplay. Those guys are playing off of each other in the moment, feeling where everyone is going to go and be, and it doesn’t hurt that they’ve got exceptional skill. They’re using it responsibly and to tremendous effect.

Ours looks coached. Overcoached. Do this, then that. If it’s not there, do this. It’s a logical decision tree-style powerplay that fizzles out when the dangerous plays that are supposed to be there aren’t there.

The decision tree just loops - Aho, to Burns, back to Aho, to Burns, back to Aho, oh look Jarvis is open! ah, but Jarvis didn’t have the next pass in the sequence, so back to Aho, etc.

Meanwhile, New York is just making magic and doing it differently every time. I’m not going to be naive enough to say there’s not coaching, or it isn’t practiced, but that practice is about chemistry and leveraging offensive skill rather than running plays and being slave to a specific system.

The reason our 2 powerplay units are “equally good” despite having a huge drop off in talent between them is because the powerplay neuters offensive talent and creativity in favor of the system. The only two guys who ever do anything different than that system are Necas and Noesen, and the rest of the unit always looks completely unable to adapt to them making cool and interesting and threatening plays because they’re so static.

I don’t think the powerplay is being ignored. I think we’re being too needy with it. Watch Aho, Teravainen, Guentzel, Svech, Jarvis do their thing in the offensive zone at 5-on-5 - we’ve got the horses. But we’ve kept them in the stable more or less.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Something else to consider is that right now, the Rangers are playing at level close to perfection. They don't seem to be making any mistakes. Combine that with Shesterkin playing in an almost god-like mode and our complete lack of puck luck...

Our problem can’t possibly be that we’re playing a #1 seed at the top of its game.

 

[3CanesInTheBox]

Please make one with Shitsterkin that says "I'm better than Patrick Roy + Marty Brodeur"

I’ll work on one later today. Lol

Our problem can’t possibly be that we’re playing a #1 seed at the top of its game.

Both things. I honestly think this Rongos team is firing on all cylinders AND going 0/15 on pp is unacceptable.

I don’t know if I can bring myself to watch tomorrow, we’ll see. But I am hoping the boys at least avoid being swept.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

If it helps anyone, I've been playing Hades 2 instead of watching the games. It's made me much happier than many of you appear to be.

 

[Svechhammer]

The Lazarus article is spot on. Fair but critical in a way that should be happening right now. Most importantly he’s still optimistic for the future with our roster in the air for next year. I don’t think I’ll bother reading the rest.

It’s over reaction time and everyone is going to call for heads and bigger moves but there’s more than enough good pieces here to build a winner. RBA and management can and should carry on, but learn from the lessons this build gave them. We’re a playoff team, but we’re not a threat. That’s a huge step forward from the decade of suck, but now the expectations are raised and we should be ready to do whatever we have to do to meet them.

The Ovies and Giglio podcast last night with Maniscalco and DeCock is worth a listen. Thought it was every bit as fair as the Lazarus article, which I agree with as well.

Also, they all assume Necas is gone next year. Pretty much outright saying they know he's done.

I don’t know. I’m not a coach or former player. But having been a former player in various other sports, I think the coaching of the powerplay at all is the issue.

Look at New York. That’s not a “coached” powerplay. Those guys are playing off of each other in the moment, feeling where everyone is going to go and be, and it doesn’t hurt that they’ve got exceptional skill. They’re using it responsibly and to tremendous effect.

Ours looks coached. Overcoached. Do this, then that. If it’s not there, do this. It’s a logical decision tree-style powerplay that fizzles out when the dangerous plays that are supposed to be there aren’t there.

The decision tree just loops - Aho, to Burns, back to Aho, to Burns, back to Aho, oh look Jarvis is open! ah, but Jarvis didn’t have the next pass in the sequence, so back to Aho, etc.

Meanwhile, New York is just making magic and doing it differently every time. I’m not going to be naive enough to say there’s not coaching, or it isn’t practiced, but that practice is about chemistry and leveraging offensive skill rather than running plays and being slave to a specific system.

The reason our 2 powerplay units are “equally good” despite having a huge drop off in talent between them is because the powerplay neuters offensive talent and creativity in favor of the system. The only two guys who ever do anything different than that system are Necas and Noesen, and the rest of the unit always looks completely unable to adapt to them making cool and interesting and threatening plays because they’re so static.

I don’t think the powerplay is being ignored. I think we’re being too needy with it. Watch Aho, Teravainen, Guentzel, Svech, Jarvis do their thing in the offensive zone at 5-on-5 - we’ve got the horses. But we’ve kept them in the stable more or less.

The only thing they should be coaching in regards to the power play is that everyone should be in constant motion and the puck should never idle in one place. That itls, it should be treated the exact same way we play 5v5. Why they constantly go away from that and play completely different hockey with the man advantage is puzzling.

 

[baconandbread]

RBA is a great coach but isn't without fault. He needs to be open to changing some things his loyalty holds him back as much as it gets the players to run through a wall for him. The powerplay needs to be allowed to be creative, Staal needs to be a true 4th line centre used only in shutdown situations instead of moving KK down as soon as he makes any sort of perceived mistake.

 

[hockeynjune]

I've watched way too many Bill Engvall comedy shows to know if you are agreeing with him or calling his assertion stupid.

Sorry , you would be correct . I was in agreement ,tongue in cheek finishing his sentence.

 

[Unsustainable]

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

 

[Blueline Bomber]

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Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

Solid logic, except the last time we faced the Rangers in the playoffs, we were unbeaten at home in the postseason...until Game 7. So they have a way of breaking our unbeaten streaks.

 

[3CanesInTheBox]

Walt just retweeted that there were NO changes in the lines. And with that, I’m off to salvage my Friday.

 

[cptjeff]

Something else to consider is that right now, the Rangers are playing at level close to perfection. They don't seem to be making any mistakes. Combine that with Shesterkin playing in an almost god-like mode and our complete lack of puck luck...

Anyone can play mistake free hockey when they're not seriously challenged. They look good because we haven't forced them to make mistakes. Shesterkin hasn't been remotely god-like, he's been giving up tons of rebounds. We're not in front of the net. We're not making him uncomfortable. Bump him around a little and he gets off his game. Worked pretty well for a bit in game 1 after Svech hit him.

Same with "getting goalied" by Bob last year. No, he wasn't that good, we were that bad. It was close because Florida didn't need to score 5 every game because they knew we wouldn't. And Rod's response to that and the Tampa series talking about how since the games were close it was just random bounces were the things that made me most skeptical of him as a coach. No, those series were not close. We were whopped. We're getting whooped here. When the close bounces go 95% to the other guys, it ain't random luck. You're doing something wrong.

I do very much hope that Rod is forced to make changes to his staff this offseason, including bringing on a legitimate tactics guy. Rod is a great coach, and it'd be nearly impossible to do better, especially here, but he, like any coach (or person in general) has weaknesses and blind spots. An ideal staff is one that can help cover the blind spots of the head coach, and we don't have that. Rod has a staff of people who think like Rod. We need a Trotz type as an assistant. Superb technical schemes and adjustments. Don't know who that is, but I'm sure we can find some tactician with no personality who could never be a head coach but could be the brains of the team while Rod leads the overall vision.

 

[AD Skinner]

I don’t know. I’m not a coach or former player. But having been a former player in various other sports, I think the coaching of the powerplay at all is the issue.

Look at New York. That’s not a “coached” powerplay. Those guys are playing off of each other in the moment, feeling where everyone is going to go and be, and it doesn’t hurt that they’ve got exceptional skill. They’re using it responsibly and to tremendous effect.

Ours looks coached. Overcoached. Do this, then that. If it’s not there, do this. It’s a logical decision tree-style powerplay that fizzles out when the dangerous plays that are supposed to be there aren’t there.

The decision tree just loops - Aho, to Burns, back to Aho, to Burns, back to Aho, oh look Jarvis is open! ah, but Jarvis didn’t have the next pass in the sequence, so back to Aho, etc.

Meanwhile, New York is just making magic and doing it differently every time. I’m not going to be naive enough to say there’s not coaching, or it isn’t practiced, but that practice is about chemistry and leveraging offensive skill rather than running plays and being slave to a specific system.

The reason our 2 powerplay units are “equally good” despite having a huge drop off in talent between them is because the powerplay neuters offensive talent and creativity in favor of the system. The only two guys who ever do anything different than that system are Necas and Noesen, and the rest of the unit always looks completely unable to adapt to them making cool and interesting and threatening plays because they’re so static.

I don’t think the powerplay is being ignored. I think we’re being too needy with it. Watch Aho, Teravainen, Guentzel, Svech, Jarvis do their thing in the offensive zone at 5-on-5 - we’ve got the horses. But we’ve kept them in the stable more or less.

This is an interesting take, and obviously I’m not in the room but to me it seems like the exact opposite on the power play. Like the coaching is pretty much just “go out and make a play”. But when the defensive team can ice it without penalty all they have to do is get it and throw it away and all the cycling that makes us so good 5 on 5 doesn’t do much but eat up time

 

[User13452]

Gotta try and put a little doubt or pressure on the rangers who haven’t lost yet in the playoffs. Starts by winning tomorrow night and see how they react to a loss and then try and sneak out a win in New York and make them comeback to Carolina. 2 wins by Carolina will definitely start to sound some alarm bells in New York.

 

[ndp]

I don’t know. I’m not a coach or former player. But having been a former player in various other sports, I think the coaching of the powerplay at all is the issue.

Look at New York. That’s not a “coached” powerplay. Those guys are playing off of each other in the moment, feeling where everyone is going to go and be, and it doesn’t hurt that they’ve got exceptional skill. They’re using it responsibly and to tremendous effect.

Ours looks coached. Overcoached. Do this, then that. If it’s not there, do this. It’s a logical decision tree-style powerplay that fizzles out when the dangerous plays that are supposed to be there aren’t there.

The decision tree just loops - Aho, to Burns, back to Aho, to Burns, back to Aho, oh look Jarvis is open! ah, but Jarvis didn’t have the next pass in the sequence, so back to Aho, etc.

Meanwhile, New York is just making magic and doing it differently every time. I’m not going to be naive enough to say there’s not coaching, or it isn’t practiced, but that practice is about chemistry and leveraging offensive skill rather than running plays and being slave to a specific system.

The reason our 2 powerplay units are “equally good” despite having a huge drop off in talent between them is because the powerplay neuters offensive talent and creativity in favor of the system. The only two guys who ever do anything different than that system are Necas and Noesen, and the rest of the unit always looks completely unable to adapt to them making cool and interesting and threatening plays because they’re so static.

I don’t think the powerplay is being ignored. I think we’re being too needy with it. Watch Aho, Teravainen, Guentzel, Svech, Jarvis do their thing in the offensive zone at 5-on-5 - we’ve got the horses. But we’ve kept them in the stable more or less.

Never really thought about it like this, honestly makes a ton of sense.

 

[bleedgreen]

This is an interesting take, and obviously I’m not in the room but to me it seems like the exact opposite on the power play. Like the coaching is pretty much just “go out and make a play”. But when the defensive team can ice it without penalty all they have to do is get it and throw it away and all the cycling that makes us so good 5 on 5 doesn’t do much but eat up time

In the playoffs it’s felt very forced. Very much catch a pass, look up, perceive your options, consider them, then make a decision, make the next pass. Late in the season we were far more instinctual and just seemed to know where everyone was, and everyone just had trust. That’s what their pp is like. We look like we’re over thinking and making bad choices when we finally make the pass because the play is already passed by.

I think we look a little over coached and not instinctive combined.

 

[bleedgreen]

Side note, I think it can’t be over stated that we miss Pesce. He’s very good at breaking up plays down low, especially on the pk. They’d still score some but I’d bet he’d be in passing lanes and forcing them to work harder. I don’t know if Tro’s game winner the other night happens with Pesce. He’s going to be missed, and we’re missing him right now.

 

[ndp]

I personally think it mainly boils down to this.

And the 0 - whatever on the power play. But I’ve often wondered if their style of play 5v5 affects how they manage the power play. Everything just gets funneled to the point and relies on Burns getting that shot through. Which he hasn’t been great at this series.

This was the season I thought they had kinda figured it out, things were really clicking offensively, both 5v5 and with a man advantage.

Felt like Rod had turned the top six loose a little bit and things were rolling. But then it’s like they collapsed into this shell where they’re trying to make everything perfect. Outside of the top line it’s like there’s no flow or rhythm to how they’re playing, everything feels forced and unnatural.

Really though credit where credit is due. The Rangers have done a phenomenal job of applying pressure and taking away what little time and space they were accustomed to working with.

 

[Lempo]

Totally off topic but it’s funny to me that the series of movies had some real potential but the best moment of the whole thing is this moment like ten minutes into the first movie. You can partially see why right here with the bad guys wearing outfits straight out of “Spaceballs”.

 

[hurricure]

I went to bed Sooo f***ing pissed off last night, but then i had a dream they were loading the plane i was traveling on by highest IQ first and i got on right off the bat. Woke up super happy with how smart i must think i am. Canes in 7 hahahaha

 

[VaCaps Fan]

I say break the whalers jerseys out if New York wants to party like it’s 1994.

 

[Stickpucker]

You've heard of the dreaded three goal lead. How about the dreaded three game lead?

 

[Lempo]

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Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

 

[The Faulker 27]

You've heard of the dreaded three goal lead. How about the dreaded three game lead?

Have them right where we want them.

 

[ndp]

Another thing I’ve noticed a lot in this Rangers series is when a shot does get through from the point. And Igor miraculously gives up a rebound there’s no one there to try and clean up the mess because the forwards are constantly halfway in the process of rotating out to the point in anticipation of covering a potentially pinching defender.

Either that or they’re so afraid of the breakaway going the other way they’re cheating their defensive assignments. I’ve heard of players cheating to fly the zone on offense but this is the only team I remember seeing do it defensively. The “system” as a whole just seems broken right now.

 

[DaveG]

The Hurricanes? Twice if you count trips to the finals.

St Louis, 2019 Vegas, 2020 Dallas, 2010 Philly