Post-Game Talk: Bread Wings

[duhmetreE]

oh god is this different stat sites using the same metric but wildly different results for it

what is even the point of advanced stats then

I mean I gotta assume they have some different definition or measurement but again really...if you're supposedly measuring the same thing but have wildly different results then it feels like that thing is completely useless

I would think CSA would be our gold standard.

MoneyPuck has seemed shoddy as of late

 

[will1066]

I’m saying I think he can be more than a third liner. It’s still in there, just like it was for Laf. If he comes back and starts churning he can be back on the top line.

I have to laugh at this, sorry. He had that spot on the top line and he blew it. It was GIVEN to him by Lavi and his administration. He can be a bust. It's ok. He's not your kid or anything.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

I feel like I’m in another dimension reading that Ryan Lindgren is better than Kandre Miller

 

[NYR Viper]

I have to laugh at this, sorry. He had that spot on the top line and he blew it. It was GIVEN to him by Lavi and his administration. He can be a bust. It's ok. He's not your kid or anything.

To be clear, he's anything but a bust considering he stays at the same level he has been at the last 2 years.

I'm a bit confused as to why the team wouldn't just keep a good, young power forward around as long as he doesn't cost a lot and plays well? What is the rush for trading him?

 

[will1066]

To be clear, he's anything but a bust considering he stays at the same level he has been at the last 2 years.

I'm a bit confused as to why the team wouldn't just keep a good, young power forward around as long as he doesn't cost a lot and plays well? What is the rush for trading him?

Don't get me wrong. I'm not one of those rushing to trade him. Still, what power forward? He has no power to his forward.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

The moaning and groaning about wheeler is annoying.

We signed him for 800k, and he’s gonna get about 25 points at his current pace.

That’s fine.

Change his name to “generic player A” and nobody would care.

 

[Cuckoo4Kakko]

I have to laugh at this, sorry. He had that spot on the top line and he blew it. It was GIVEN to him by Lavi and his administration. He can be a bust. It's ok. He's not your kid or anything.

I have to laugh at this, sorry. He had that spot on the top line and he matched the other people on the top line. Staying on the top line was GIVEN to them by Lavi and his administration. They get better treatment based on PP results. It's ok. They're not your kids or anything.

If we are going to be honest line 1 was fine. They were snakebit early in the season, but they were defensively sound and generated more chances than they gave up. The data is still out there where they are top 10 in the nhl in some metrics.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Where do people get this idea that Lindgren “allows Fox to play his game” as if he’s this key that unlocks him. Fox doesn’t need a guy to watch his mistakes, he needs someone who isn’t going to kill the O zone shift after he freezes 2 defenders and goes D to D.

 

[Gardner McKay]

I feel like I’m in another dimension reading that Ryan Lindgren is better than Kandre Miller

In the defensive zone? Historically he has been. K'Andre is the better all around defenseman.

Where do people get this idea that Lindgren “allows Fox to play his game” as if he’s this key that unlocks him. Fox doesn’t need a guy to watch his mistakes, he needs someone who isn’t going to kill the O zone shift after he freezes 2 defenders and goes D to D.

By watching Lindgren and seeing that he allows Fox to play his game.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

In the defensive zone? Historically he has been. K'Andre is the better all around defenseman.


By watching Lindgren and seeing that he allows Fox to play his game.

He doesn’t allow him to do anything. Miller-Fox has completely destroyed Lindgren-Fox over a pretty decent sample

 

[NYR Viper]

Don't get me wrong. I'm not one of those rushing to trade him. Still, what power forward? He has no power to his forward.

When he is on his game is a very good possession forward who really owns the boards and is able to retrieve and recapture pucks. Sure he isn't lining up guys for big hits but he is difficult to play against for other teams because he uses his size well down low.

 

[Gardner McKay]

He doesn’t allow him to do anything. Miller-Fox has completely destroyed Lindgren-Fox over a pretty decent sample

Ok. I still think Lindgren is more consistent defensively than Miller.

 

[will1066]

I have to laugh at this, sorry. He had that spot on the top line and he matched the other people on the top line. Staying on the top line was GIVEN to them by Lavi and his administration. They get better treatment based on PP results. It's ok. They're not your kids or anything.

If we are going to be honest line 1 was fine. They were snakebit early in the season, but they were defensively sound and generated more chances than they gave up. The data is still out there where they are top 10 in the nhl in some metrics.

What Laviolette said, with Vince quoting him: "It's not a work (ethic) thing" that led Kakko being moved off 1RW, rather, ‘Through the course of 11 games, it just hasn't clicked the way that you would want from a production standpoint. And I'm not saying that's (only) Kaapo. I’m just saying that's the reality.'”

When he is on his game is a very good possession forward who really owns the boards and is able to retrieve and recapture pucks. Sure he isn't lining up guys for big hits but he is difficult to play against for other teams because he uses his size well down low.

He has been overpowered physically.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Ok. I still think Lindgren is more consistent defensively than Miller.

Lindgren is a very good defensive player but that’s it, he’s completely one dimensional. If Fox is on the ice the team is going to be playing in the offensive zone and you’re much better without Lindgren who’s going to end the shift with a muffin or a pass to nobody.

 

[NYR Viper]

What Laviolette said, with Vince quoting him: "It's not a work (ethic) thing" that led Kakko being moved off 1RW, rather, ‘Through the course of 11 games, it just hasn't clicked the way that you would want from a production standpoint. And I'm not saying that's (only) Kaapo. I’m just saying that's the reality.'”


He has been overpowered physically.

Every forward in the NHL gets overpowered at times. This isn't unique

 

[Gardner McKay]

Lindgren is a very good defensive player but that’s it, he’s completely one dimensional. If Fox is on the ice the team is going to be playing in the offensive zone and you’re much better without Lindgren who’s going to end the shift with a muffin or a pass to nobody.

Lindgren is 100% one dimensional. Definitely agree. I think if Miller was a bit more consistent all around, no one would dispute the claim that he is better than Lindgren. I think Lindgren's consistency defensively, combined with Millers overall inconsistency, lead people to the Lindgren > Miller statement, if that makes sense?

 

[Levitate]

Every forward in the NHL gets overpowered at times. This isn't unique

I think lately with Kakko it wasn't about strength it's been about positioning and feel for the game. ONce things snowballed for that line and he was sent down he spiralled down the no confidence hole

 

[will1066]

Every forward in the NHL gets overpowered at times. This isn't unique

You defined him as a power forward. In my eyes, he's not. When he can't get separation from the player checking him, there's no power to the forward there. He was consistently negated on the walls. His injury can be attributed to him being manhandled just before he fell awkwardly on his leg. That goal he scored was an accident, after Bonino practically urged him to drive the net without saying it. And Bonino in the next game flat out refused to pass the puck to him.

 

[hardnosed]

He doesn’t allow him to do anything. Miller-Fox has completely destroyed Lindgren-Fox over a pretty decent sample

Miller/Fox is the stupidest thing we could do. Miller has a chance to be a great offensive defenseman. There's only one puck. You are wasting his potential putting him with Fox. Personally I would like to have either Fox or Miller on the ice 45-50 minutes a game. You can't do that if they are playing together

 

[bhamill]

I have no evidence or anything Im just reading the tea leaves. Hes a strong change of scenery candidate.

okay. Understood.

 

[Machinehead]

I dont know what changed in MoneyPuck but their numbers dont look right

.45xG from the Seider PPG? Doesn’t seem right

Moneypuck went a bit bananas last night. Not sure what's going on.

Between Moneypuck and Natural Stat Trick, there's a 2.0+ xG difference for the Wings.

Even when considering different perspectives and formulas, that doesn't seem possible.

 

[McRanger92]

Moneypuck went a bit bananas last night. Not sure what's going on.

Been Moneypuck and Natural Stat Trick, there's a 2.0+ xG difference for the Wings.

Even when considering different perspectives and formulas, that doesn't seem possible.

Moneypuck should watch the games

 

[Machinehead]

Moneypuck should watch the games

Maybe so. I can't imagine watching the game and coming up with two and a half extra goals worth of scoring chances.

 

[will1066]

Moneypuck should watch the games

Moneypuck should get their eyes tested

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Maybe so. I can't imagine watching the game and coming up with two and a half extra goals worth of scoring chances.

I think something might be wrong with Moneypuck this year. The stats in the power rankings have been glitching