Discussion in 'The Business of Hockey' started by hubofhockey, Apr 5, 2005.
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I dont care... Ill be optimistic when we have a CBA done. I've learned now that being optimistic just gets you depressed faster.
Fair 'nuf. Don't blame you. Imagine how you'd feel if you were in the select group that kissed away $1.5 b.
They did it to themselves... So I cant feel sorry for them.
Do we have an AMEN for brother Scugs?!?!
And praise the Lord!!!
yea optimism and expectations lead to disappointment, man have hockey fans learned that the hard way this year
Roller coaster going up...
...and down again I'm sure.
Yeah, I'm sick of being optimistic only to be dragged through the mud again.
I'll be ecstatic when we get hockey back, but until then, I'm holding my emotions in check. I will applaud progress, but I am definetely not going to get excited.
I'm sick of getting my hopes up too, but it's kinda hard not to be a little hopeful when someone like Jacobs is "guardedly optimistic." Hell, even Glen Healy has sounded a little bit positive the couple o' days on TSN.
Here's the link to the article
even if the NHL gets a deal done, I'm afraid they're gonna screw up the game trying to "fix" it. we'll end up with orange lines, "sleek form fitting jerseys" bowed out nets...what a joke.
this is what ticks me off...the NHL spent all this time talking about how it'll survive a lockout because NHL fans are so great and hardcore...then they basically turn around and spit on those fans in favor of trying to attract "new fans" by screwing up the game.
The comments be Jacques Lemaire were just outrageous when you stop and think about it. he said the rule changes to the AHL weren't working, and that guys just started clutching and grabbing even more so the NHL was going to have to do something drastic now. Ignoring the irony of Lemaire complaining about clutching and grabbing for a minute...tell me WHY their solution to clutching and grabbing is to make drastic changes like net sizes, etc?
here's a clue...call the penalties like they should be. this is a damn dead horse by this point but it makes no sense to complain that the new rules just caused more clutching and grabbing so we're going to have to make MORE drastic changes...if clutching and grabbing is the problem, penalize players who do it and it'll go away. cure the damn problem, don't attempt to cover it up with garbage. sure it'll be a parade to the penalty box for awhile but if the NHL actually stays on it then it'll go away. I'd rather put up with 20 games filled with penalties than do something stupid like they're proposing with the nets.
I won't even watch the NHL if they go through with these net ideas...what a joke.
and yeah that got off topic a bit...my point mainly being i'm not even optimistic about a deal getting done if they're just gonna screw up the league afterwards.
Completely agreed. Call the game as it is supposed to be called and try that first. Let the GM's, owners, coaches and players whine all they want eventually they will learn pretty darn quick if they are killing 45 minutes worth of penalties every night. IN the past when on offensive player breaks into the zone you saw the D-man use his body and positioning to force the guy wide. The first thing you see now is a hand to the chest and a jersey grab. If your hand leaves the stick and it even touches an opponent call the damn penalty. If there is a hook you don't let it go just because the guy wasn't waterskiing you call the penalty. If it isn't stick on stick or torso on torso it's probably a penalty so call it!
The only things I do are:
1) call the penalties
2) bring back touch up offside...I think the reward for the fast skating hard forechecking team was removed because this rule was taken out. No touch up was just another rule that encouraged teams to sit back in the neutral zone and wait for the play to come to them instead of taking the play to their opponents.
3) bring back goaltending equipment to what it used to be. Was it 26% less space to shoot at that was the difference between an 80's goaltender and Luongo because of equipment that SI came up with a few years ago? Make the pads skinnier, the blocker skinnier, get rid of the cheater, the extra 2 inches from the shoulder pads, the extra large jersey that functions as netting etc etc etc. And get rid of the composite sticks and take away the protection excuse from the goaltenders.
Try these things first and see what happens. Point 1 and 3 are the main things. IF the league does those you'll have free flowing higher scoring hockey where the stars can be stars and talent shines through at all positions.
yup, i think part of the problem is the league is focusing too much on scoring...it's never gonna be as high as it was in the 80's as long as teams focus on playing a good defensive game. all i see the increased net size doing is creating more flukey goals, and that doesn't make the game more exciting for me.
i'm tired of seeing guys make great plays to beat defenders and then being hooked and held from behind and prevented from getting a scoring opportunity...i'd also toy with the idea of more heavily penalizing a player if he hooks or holds a guy from behind in the defensive zone...as in the guy just deked the defender to get around him and get a clear path to the net, but is hauled down from behind before he gets a scoring chance. Sure sometimes it's called a penalty...but it's not very exciting to see a penalty called, it'd be more exciting if that guy actually got the scoring chance he created. maybe stiffining the penalties in that area (double minor or something) might decrease some of that. but would probably be a hard one to call, kind of subjective at times
i definatly like the touch up offsides...never understood why they changed that really...i mean i guess their idea sounded good at first but it ends up slowing down the game.
and goalie equipment...meh, goalies don't need huge pads to protect themselves. i think the chest protectors are the biggest culprit here but cmon, technology and protective materials have gotten better, lighter, etc...but the size of the equipment has grown? there's no reason for it other than it gives goalies a puck stopping edge. it doesn't need to be that big, cut it down to managable sizes
I can actually see why he might be:
Jacobs sees signs of NHL labor thaw
Could be worse ...
Interesting...so Jacobs is alluding to the players possibly accepting a variant of linkage to gross revenues, but without an escrow system? How would that work?
Carry forward into the following season representing % up or down on salaries ?
Here's kind of the key piece of the Globe article as far as what Jacobs said.
Does this not sound like something they can absolutley negotiate now? If what was informally proposed was that palatable to even a hawk like Jacobs, and they're basically haggling over the range of the cap (and even on this issue, Jacobs didn't sound insulted by the levels being suggested), isn't there some hope here?
As Jacobs said, he believes that reality is starting to kick in. It must be evident to both sides that if a deal isn't reached soon that major sponsors will drop out and thus sending the NHL to it's grave.
Seems to me that it would be just a delayed correction to the salary system. Instead of the escrow fund being used to bring the percentage up or down to the agreed level at the end of every year, the owners (or players) would simply vary the cap the following year. Basically if the percentage was agreed to as 55% of projected revenues but the revenues were lower than expected making the actual percentage 58 % they would then do a correction to the projections and make the cap for the next year lower. Essentially it puts the hit on the free agents. Atleast that's what I take away from that phrasing.
Players offered a 24% rollback, control over every trigger point of salary escalation, and finally a cap. Guardedly optimistic? No kiddin Sherlock. What, Jacobs means is he wont nickel them and dime them into another year off after all that because he wants to watch the vote by the feet first? Hey, I'm guardedly optimistic.
" - I won't even watch the NHL if they go through with these net ideas...what a joke. - "
there has been chatter that this is a ploy to snap the goalies into shape concerning pad size and playing the puck