Bobby Ryan- Upside????
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It's weird how perception around here changes so rapidly. A few weeks before the draft when Bobby Ryan wasn't really considered to be a Top 3 prospect in the draft, people were passing over him in draft discussion as an afterthought. Now he was drafted #2 overall and he's "John LeClair with better hands". LeClair has almost 400 career goals.
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LeClair was the first person that came to mind when I read a description of Ryan's game. Big power forward, not the best skater, not super-physical or chippy, but uses his body to create space. Great hands, high scoring potential, can pass, goes to the net.
First people are comparing Crosby to Forsberg now they are comparing Ryan to ForsbergVanman said:
These kids are nothing like Forsberg. Forsberg is a rare player to come by and justbecause a kid has great potential dont mean he is the next Forsberg.
My comparison's:
Crosby = Joe Sakic/ Brad Richards
Ryan = Shane Doan
( With Ryan being a bit more skilled offensively, than Doan )
I hate how the guy goes 2nd overall, and yet he's one of the few prospects that the Hockey News continues to focus on the negative...yes he's not a speed skater...but why not talk about the things he does well...heck if you only read the right ups guys drafted #29 overall would sound like a much better player...
Ryan upside
Lets see:
The kid has won at every level he has ever played, had he not declared for the U.S team he would have went first to Saginaw in his O.H.L draft year, he was competing for the scoring title prior to the injury in Vancouver, he led his team, and was a league leader in plus minus in his second year in the O.H.L. He wore the C at the Prospects game, and Don Cherry calls him the most impressive player at the camp.
He has excellent rink vision, above average hands, is dominant in the corners and immovable in front of the net, oh and his body has not fully matured.
I dont know, maybe its me, but it seems like quite a few people like his upside.
Lets see:
The kid has won at every level he has ever played, had he not declared for the U.S team he would have went first to Saginaw in his O.H.L draft year, he was competing for the scoring title prior to the injury in Vancouver, he led his team, and was a league leader in plus minus in his second year in the O.H.L. He wore the C at the Prospects game, and Don Cherry calls him the most impressive player at the camp.
He has excellent rink vision, above average hands, is dominant in the corners and immovable in front of the net, oh and his body has not fully matured.
I dont know, maybe its me, but it seems like quite a few people like his upside.
JayRice66 said:
WOAH... lets cool it on the forsberg comparisons, he's not forsberg, I would say he'll be a Guerin type player. he doesn't have the size or physical strength of a Bertuzzi or Thorton, but he still is an imposing physical threat.
Guerin/Horton
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2 is better than one
Attica said:
Well, there is the fact that Ryan is still a kid who isn't done growing yet. I can easily see him max out at 6'3'' 230 lbs.
GagneOwnsYou said:
I've noticed that you're a fan of Bobby's. What kind of player do you think he is? I've seen him twice, and he reminds me of Glen Murray. Big and strong with a finishing touch, but he could be so much more. What do you think?
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monster_bertuzzi said:
I'd like to interject my own thoughts on Ryan. Murray on the surface would appear to be a good comparison, although IMO Ryan is a much better playmaker and will be quite a bit bigger when his body matures. I really do think he could be a Todd Bertuzzi like player who produces similar point totals. I don't think he'll ever have the mean streak Bertuzzi does, but certainly the size, strength, and offensive ability to impress his will on a game.
Ryan's upside
I've watched Bobby Ryan for many years. He is one of the most talented stick handlers, play makers, shooters, I've seen. He will be a great play maker in the NHL. He will also score a lot of goals as he has the uncanny ability to find the back of the net with unreal creativity. If you haven't seen him play, you'll be in for a treat once he get's comfortable with the NHL level of play.
Yeah, he's slower than most, but last time I checked, some of the top scorers in NHL history (Hull, Lemieux, Robotaille) are all slow/bad skaters. These players just have a way of getting things done and Bobby has been and will continue to be, one of those types of players.
I've watched Bobby Ryan for many years. He is one of the most talented stick handlers, play makers, shooters, I've seen. He will be a great play maker in the NHL. He will also score a lot of goals as he has the uncanny ability to find the back of the net with unreal creativity. If you haven't seen him play, you'll be in for a treat once he get's comfortable with the NHL level of play.
Yeah, he's slower than most, but last time I checked, some of the top scorers in NHL history (Hull, Lemieux, Robotaille) are all slow/bad skaters. These players just have a way of getting things done and Bobby has been and will continue to be, one of those types of players.
Attica said:
guerin is one of the fastest players in the nhl. ryan and guerin may have similar size, but not playing styles.
he doesnt play like forsberg
he doesnt play like spezza
he doesnt play like thornton, as previous posters have suggested
if you compare him to any nhl'ers in their prime he would fall into the category of leclair, andreychuk, betruzzi, doan, murray. while most of these players put up more goals then assists, i think bobby will do the opposite, but their overall playing styles are similar.
at best leclair, neely; mediocre, shane doan; at worst, chad kilger
one thing I did notice is the kid is huge on draft day when he approached the stage his upper body was massive especially for a kid his age, he is going to be one tough player to get off the puck when he gets in the NHL, especially when he gets into his mid to late 20's and early 30's he is gonna be one strong kid.
monster_bertuzzi said:
Most of this is what I posted on the Ducks board a while ago.
Basically, for those who are unfamiliar with his game, Bobby is a power forward with a playmaking streak, he sees the ice extremely well and can make passes that others do not even see. He is in his niche behind the net, and moving the nets back is going to help him even more, with his excellent backhand(comparable to Sundin) and his long reach plus great vision, he is a multi tool threat from behind the net. Moreover, he is a physical freak of nature, he can flat out carry defenders on his back and is highly skileld at playing with one hand on his stick. He has a very hard slapshot that he prefers to use to play for rebounds, rather than aim for a corner and miss, which he rarely will do. He has that special ability of making every shot on goal uncomfortable for the goalie. To go with that package he has incredible one on one moves and the softest hands for a big guy. The knock on him is obviously his skating, which needs work to increase his top end speed. However, he does have good acceleration and can force an opponent to slow down to him with his awareness and body position.
As far as comparisms with NHL players, it's really hard to find one because he is so big and so strong, yet he has such amazing hands and playmaking ability. The one guy I would compare him to would be Forsberg, but there's just something missing,
like a bit of nastiness to his game.
He's more in a mold of a cross between a big power forward(Murray), a top finisher( Sundin) and a great playmaker(Forsberg)
I know I sound absolutely ridicolously high on this kid but I really see a 40 goal, 90 point NHL player in him. A true superstar.
We'll see.
Nice write-up G.O.Y, pretty much what I expect from Bobby as well - 80-90 points in his prime and one of the better powerforwards around.
NYC Aim 4588 said:
hes a monster, and hes really only been lifting weights seriously for about a year now. in street clothes at the draft he was easily the thickest guy there (bourret is fat), and when you see him on the ice he is the widest and strongest guy out on the ice. out of everyone in the draft he has the most nhl ready body.
would the forsberg comparisons please stop. bobby is bigger, not as strong defensively, not as fast, not as in your face, they play different postions, etc. bobby has an awkward, yet effective skating technique, and his bread and butter is down low, forsberg does it all over the ice.
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i'm not sure how often this happens, but is there a possibility that when he gets to the NHL he'll be more physical since the game is tougher? he has that ability and he may need to so he can be more effective and let people know he won't back down.orangeandblack said:
Mike Strothers the coach of the Owen Sound Attack said his game resembles jason allison and john leclair in their primes, when asked the style bobby ryan plays. im sure he probably knows best.
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