Half-Assed GDT: Blues vs. Bolts

[Majorityof1]

When he referenced the voice "for a female" I took it for what it was. He didn't say she was not knowledgeable because she was female. I'm almost positive that it was Leah Hextall announcing this year and I really loved her enthusiasm and of course she knows what she's talking about but when she gets excited during a scoring chance her voice gets a little to high pitched for me but AJ last night is great.

You can say that an announcer's voice gets a little too high pitched when excited without referencing gender. That would be a valid complaint, although one I find strange. A lot of people don't like announcer's getting too excited during plays. That has nothing to do with gender. I didn't like Kendall Coyne as an announcer because she was too inexperienced. She stumbled over her words, and took big pauses causing her to fall behind on the action. It became a distraction trying to figure out what she was trying to say, as opposed to her supplementing the action. That's not sexism, its a valid complaint about the job she did judged irrespective of her gender.

He didn't have to say he didn't find her knowledgeable because of her gender to surmise that it was what he really meant. He lost the benefit of the doubt by saying she had a good voice for a female. More importantly, she was objectively knowledgeable. She pointed out things that he specifically complained the announcers not saying. He was looking for things to complain about because she was a woman. We listen to a lot of announcers, but the only time anyone complains about a lack of knowledge is when its a woman. They cannot point out a single thing they didn't know that would have enriched the broadcast because the complaint is BS.

 

[Brian39]

Not sure what post has you all ready to start the virtual stoning of the heretic. Did you ever see if maybe there was something lost in translation before you launched your ism crusade?

It all seems so silly, but I’m having fun. Making lemonade out of lemons can be entertaining.

Ah yes, my massive crusade where I "virtually stoned" someone by (checks notes) saying "yeah man, that's a really f***ing sexist opinion." What a vicious attack.

I can recap the interaction for you since you got lost somehow. This is the post I directly responded to (by quoting it for clarity): "Call me sexist, but women at hockey broadcast just doesn't work imho. They have knowledge, but their sound just doesn't fit in men's hockey. Women's can broadcast their own women's hockey. Sorry. But in commercial brake or end of period if there is women interviewing somebody it's just fine, but while game is going their voice just doesn't fit in there."

Nothing is lost in translation there. That is unambiguously the opinion "this job shouldn't be available to women because of their gender." He literally started the post with "call me sexist" and I chose to call that a sexist opinion rather than attacking him as a whole. The following interaction was me explaining the concept of sexism to you while you have moved the goalposts and refused to engage in any discussion beyond wild hyperbole and buzzwords about cancel culture.

 

[WeWentBlues]

Hopefully we won't have too many more of the ESPN+ featured broadcasts. Buccigross is hard to listen to.

 

[AjaxManifesto]

Ah yes, my massive crusade where I "virtually stoned" someone by (checks notes) saying "yeah man, that's a really f***ing sexist opinion." What a vicious attack.

I can recap the interaction for you since you got lost somehow. This is the post I directly responded to (by quoting it for clarity): "Call me sexist, but women at hockey broadcast just doesn't work imho. They have knowledge, but their sound just doesn't fit in men's hockey. Women's can broadcast their own women's hockey. Sorry. But in commercial brake or end of period if there is women interviewing somebody it's just fine, but while game is going their voice just doesn't fit in there."

Nothing is lost in translation there. That is unambiguously the opinion "this job shouldn't be available to women because of their gender." He literally started the post with "call me sexist" and I chose to call that a sexist opinion rather than attacking him as a whole. The following interaction was me explaining the concept of sexism to you while you have moved the goalposts and refused to engage in any discussion beyond wild hyperbole and buzzwords about cancel culture.

Clickity clack

 

[AjaxManifesto]

Hopefully we won't have too many more of the ESPN+ featured broadcasts. Buccigross is hard to listen to.

Yes.

He sucks. Maybe he’s good for wrastlin play-by-play.

 

[Majorityof1]

Saad and Barby are 82 and 81 Overall respectively. And I make the lineups dor chemistry so those lines are the highest chemistry lines.

Schenn(C/LW) RoR(C) Tarasenko(RW)
Buch(RW/LW) Thomas(RW/C) Kyrou(RW)
Saad(LW/RW) Barbie(C) Perron(LW/RW)
Neal(RW/LW) Bozak(C) Sunny(C/RW)

I like my lines better. I make them based on overall rating and try to inject as much speed as I can on a budget.

Perron - O'Reilly - Tarasenko
Olofsson - Copp - Buchnevich
E.Staal - Thomas -Kyrou
B.Ryan - Barby - Bozak
Theodore- Parayko
Krug - Pesce
Ty Smith- Dobson
Rask
$8M+ cap space for trade deadline

 

[Brian39]

Clickity clack

Was 3 whole paragraphs too much for you or do you just shut down whenever people mirror your condescending tone?

 

[Meatball]

Clickity clack

Funniest post in the thread.

 

[AjaxManifesto]

Was 3 whole paragraphs too much for you or do you just shut down whenever people mirror your condescending tone?

I’m a selective reader. All walls of text are not created equal.

 

[mk80]

So I watched game on delay and it's so interesting going through and reading the gameday thread after. Like I 100% thought this at time too, but obviously leaving him in worked out really well.

Exactly and really I meant that as a way to change the momentum at the time and not because Binnington was really at fault on the goals. But the Blues definitely needed a shakeup at the time, and props to Berube for showing trust in Binnington and Binnington going out and slamming the door and rebounding.

 

[AjaxManifesto]

Exactly and really I meant that as a way to change the momentum at the time and not because Binnington was really at fault on the goals. But the Blues definitely needed a shakeup at the time, and props to Berube for showing trust in Binnington and Binnington going out and slamming the door and rebounding.

I think Chief knows that Binny is a fighter. A fighter keeps fighting. Plus, these were flukey goals. Pulling him would have done more harm than good.

 

[Reality Czech]

I think Chief knows that Binny is a fighter. A fighter keeps fighting. Plus, these were flukey goals. Pulling him would have done more harm than good.

Some goalies (like Allen) lose confidence when they let in a soft goal, while others get pissed off and raise their level of play. Obviously Binner is the latter group. As you mentioned, it wasn't like he looked bad...it was a combination of a totally flat Blues team + one of the unluckiest bounces you'll ever see.

I'd also like to take a moment to thank ex-Blue Brian Elliott for letting in a couple of stoppable shots himself. If Vasi had been playing, we might not have gotten the 3 goals needed to push it to OT. But in the end, the better team won. What better time to play the Lightning with their top 3 forwards out of the lineup? Was also great to see Patty M last night...he's always got a smile on his face, which puts a smile on my face.

 

[mk80]

I think Chief knows that Binny is a fighter. A fighter keeps fighting. Plus, these were flukey goals. Pulling him would have done more harm than good.

The quote from Binnington in his post game interview pretty much sums up his mentality, saying that even though he got some bronx cheers he loved it and the crowd kept him accountable, he fed off both the positive and negative energy from the crowd and then finished with "That's the show baby"

 

[ort]

Yeah, I was at my kid's practice and some of the other hockey dad's I was talking to made it sound like he totally **** the bed... but later that night when I watched the highlights, I was trying to understand what he was supposed to do about any of it. I mean, yeah, that 3rd goal looks really bad, and it kinda is, but I mean, that happens to everyone at some point. That wasn't on him, it was a complete and total fluke.

The first two? He had zero chance.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

The quote from Binnington in his post game interview pretty much sums up his mentality, saying that even though he got some bronx cheers he loved it and the crowd kept him accountable, he fed off both the positive and negative energy from the crowd and then finished with "That's the show baby"

So, he is both a benevolent AND a malevolent extraterrestrial? Cool!

 

[Brian39]

When he referenced the voice "for a female" I took it for what it was. He didn't say she was not knowledgeable because she was female. I'm almost positive that it was Leah Hextall announcing this year and I really loved her enthusiasm and of course she knows what she's talking about but when she gets excited during a scoring chance her voice gets a little to high pitched for me but AJ last night is great.

For clarity, the post of mine that you summarized was describing this statement:

"Call me sexist, but women at hockey broadcast just doesn't work imho. They have knowledge, but their sound just doesn't fit in men's hockey. Women's can broadcast their own women's hockey. Sorry. But in commercial brake or end of period if there is women interviewing somebody it's just fine, but while game is going their voice just doesn't fit in there."

 

[bluesfan94]

See my post “male announcers”

But maybe you were looking for another gender than the normal two.

You didn't say that they suck because they are men and that therefore there shouldn't be any male announcers.

You can say you don't like individual announcers without saying something blanketed.

I don't think it's sexist per se. It's a false conflation to mention race as the same thing. The difference is that to believe race makes a difference in anything is to believe that races are inherently different (and likely that some are better than others). That is obviously a racist notion. However, it is mistaken to argue there are no genuine differences between the sexes. It is rooted in biological reality. Yes, there are individual variations between people, but we can speak in generalities. There IS such a thing as masculinity, and I will say, I enjoy certain things just being for the boys. Like when guys have a "guy's night", for example. That recognizes there is something different and nice about just being around guys. I think it's silly to jump to calling sexist anything that acknowledges gender differences.

Are you saying that biological differences are the reason that women can't be NHL announcers?

 

[Ranksu]

Yeah man, that's a really f***ing sexist opinion.

Okay, you're sexist. Pretty easy there.

I prefer mens broadcasting hockey games. Women can do women's hockey. I don't lose my mind if there is women speaking just viewing men's generally are much better vocalist to listen up.

But if I watch figure skating I prefer women only, it's much more elegant and feminine sport vs ice hockey. + Women's are specialist in that sport, knowledge higher vs men's. So I want to hear professional broadcast and ppl whom are in their highest knowledge of their sport.

 

[bluesfan94]

I prefer mens broadcasting hockey games. Women can do women's hockey. I don't lose my mind if there is women speaking just viewing men's generally are much better vocalist to listen up.

But if I watch figure skating I prefer women only, it's much more elegant and feminine sport vs ice hockey. + Women's are specialist in that sport, knowledge higher vs men's. So I want to hear professional broadcast and ppl whom are in their highest knowledge of their sport.

You say this like men can't figure skate and women can't play hockey even though we know men figure skate and women play hockey.

Assigning sports to genders based on your perception of elegance and your outdated gender ideals is pretty silly.

 

[Ranksu]

You say this like men can't figure skate and women can't play hockey even though we know men figure skate and women play hockey

Well in figure skating women's are ahead of men. They are #1 on that sport.

Same goes gymnastics. Women's are much known and much more successful in that sport vs men's. It's has nothing to do both can do that sport. I just want to hear it from ppl whom are professional on that sport what ever it's men or women.

You can call me sexist or whatever, but this is just my view.

But it's ok to break barriers and it's freshing, but when I pay my games I want to listen up what I want and not what is feed to me so we can speak women and men are equal broadcast in men's game.

But I don't lose my night sleep, 'cus of that.

This is coming from person who live in sociaty where women and men are equal. And this topic isn't anything to do with that.

 

[bluesfan94]

I disagree with the notion that men's figure skaters are worse than women's figure skaters or even less well known.

And again, women can be professional hockey players too. But more importantly, many broadcasters are not professional athletes.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

I think it’s time for a transgendered broadcasting team.

 

[AjaxManifesto]

I think it’s time for a transgendered broadcasting team.

I'd like to see Tony Twist in a dress.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

I'd like to see Tony Twist in a dress.

Ooohhh Twist and Shout gender bender.

 

[i aint Dunn yet]

I was pleasantly surprised at Brown's game last night. He certainly skated with energy, didn't look out of place with the flow of the game, didn't leave any noticeable large gaps in his team's defence getting back down ice, raced for the puck when needed, and not only didn't shy away from contact, but initiated it on the forecheck and backcheck. He didn't play with hesitancy or nervousness, or watch action while he should have already made a decision and moved towards where he needed to be to make the required play. He scored a goal, made a nice pass, or two, did his part on the forecheck, cycling, and didn't hurt his line on defence. I'd say he had a good game, and want to see more of that kind of play from him.

this is what i wanted to hear with such a big frame (its like colt playing forward ) ... i heard him and jeff on the radio and they both said he just needs to get his confidence back ... i hope he grabs this opportunity and runs

edit : thanks for the insight