Better forward group: Tampa, Toronto or Other?

[alexgreeen]

TB > TOR > WPG > WSH > PIT

 

[Puckstuff]

Matthews > Stamkos easily. Matthews was 1st in Goals per game at even strength; 2nd in D/Game. Only Bergeron is a better defensive player in the entire NHL. Matthews is a future rocket richard and selke winnner. His defensive analytics is eye popping.

I can really give an answer; but I really want to say Toronto because there big 4. Matthews, Tavares, Marner, Nylander

 

[Puckstuff]

 

[Tobias Kahun]

I find Marner rather overrated around these parts, he’s really just a guy who’s stats were inflated by a hot run on the PP. Gourde was a legitimately elite 5v5 scorer this season though he did shoot super high percentage, but even when his percentages regress he’s a well above average 5v5 scorer who is also a play driver and defensive difference maker.

Congrats, you just contradicted your whole statement in a couple words.

Gourde = Marner isn't a hot take, its a dumb one.

 

[ccman68]

Take Hyman off the first line and see what happens:

Miller>Kadri, Stamkos>Matthews, Kucherov>Marner,
Palat>Marleau, Tavares>Point, Gourde>Nylander,
Killorn>Hyman, Cirelli>Kapanen, Tyler>Andreas Johnson

Not close.

 

[ER89]

As a leaf fan, wpg should DEFINITELY be an option. I'll be honest, I wouldn't switch our forwards for anyone elses but having said that wpg and tampa fans probably wouldn't either. It's close all around and I give the slightest of edges to the leafs because of their superior C depth.

 

[Iceman]

You are on a roll today man. Leafs centers > Tampa's quite easily. Marner has better numbers then Kuch had a few years older.

So Marner is destined for 100 points? Lol

 

[loyaltotheend]

Miller>>Marleau - Stamkos<Matthews - Kucherov >>>>>Nylander (no hate on Willy tho, Kuch is just a superstar)
Palat>>>>>Hyman - Point<Tavares - Marner=Gourde (hot take)
Killorn>>>Johnsson - Cirelli<<<<<Kadri - Johnson>>Brown
Erne<<Leivo - Paquette>>X - Callahan<<<Kapanen

Prob tampa

It's Tampa either way, but gotta take you up on a couple of these. If you're saying the Nylander-Kucherov assesment is accurate, you don't have enough arrows between Tavares-Point. Gourde-Marner is laughable

 

[ACC1224]

I mean the anti Leaf will say Tampa but 3 30 goal centers says it's Toronto

Sad that it's this way and it won't be changing anytime soon.
Very close, IMO.
Took the Leafs since Matthews and Marner will prove to be the best two players from the group.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Have to go with TB for now at least, since they had 20 more goals last year. although I think a good chunk of that was their defense was better offensively. Going forward I'd prefer the Leafs though. Teams like Winnipeg, Pittsburgh, and Washington are also very close here

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Matthews > Stamkos easily. Matthews was 1st in Goals per game at even strength; 2nd in D/Game. Only Bergeron is a better defensive player in the entire NHL. Matthews is a future rocket richard and selke winnner. His defensive analytics is eye popping.

I can really give an answer; but I really want to say Toronto because there big 4. Matthews, Tavares, Marner, Nylander

Matthews is not the second best defensive player in the NHL, lmao. he's a better player than Stamkos though

 

[A1LeafNation]

I'd probably take Toronto
Tampa wins hands-down on defence though

Toronto had a better GA than Tampa last year.

Does that mean you think Andersen > Vasilevskiy?

 

[Atomos2]

Gotta take the Leafs. That centre depth is way more valuable than Tampa's advantage on the wing.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Gourde is not better than Marner, nor will he be going forward. Barring some career-altering injury, I will bet you any amount that Marner will be the superior player.

Moving forward I agree

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Toronto had a better GA than Tampa last year.

Does that mean you think Andersen > Vasilevskiy?

Andersen is > Vasilevskiy

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Congrats, you just contradicted your whole statement in a couple words.

Gourde = Marner isn't a hot take, its a dumb one.

Idk, Gourde had a significantly higher Es scoring rate and was much less sheltered (identical QoC but Gourde had much higher d zone start percentage and much lower QoT). Most of their underlying numbers were pretty similar despite the major difference in deployment.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Matthews is not the second best defensive player in the NHL, lmao. he's a better player than Stamkos though

This

 

[wasup]

Winnipeg , Tampa. Toronto

 

[Lebowski]

I’d probably take Pittsburgh and Winnipeg ahead of both.

 

[Narow]

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Jesus almost 0.5 goals per game at even strengh alone is ridiculous. If he scores some on the pp rocket is well within reach (still is even without lol)

 

[ValeriKamensky]

Lets Toronto win at least 1 postseason series. And probably then we will think - is it possible talk about them in one topic with Tampa

 

[LordZapp]

Miller>>Marleau - Stamkos<Matthews - Kucherov >>>>>Nylander (no hate on Willy tho, Kuch is just a superstar)
Palat>>>>>Hyman - Point<Tavares - Marner=Gourde (hot take)
Killorn>>>Johnsson - Cirelli<<<<<Kadri - Johnson>>Brown
Erne<<Leivo - Paquette>>X - Callahan<<<Kapanen

Prob tampa

Matthews is not better than stamkos.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Matthews is not better than stamkos.

But Tavares is.

Toronto’s centers are better, not close.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Matthews is not better than stamkos.

In my opinion he is. Tavares and Stamkos are about even, edge to JT.

 

[loyaltotheend]

Toronto had a better GA than Tampa last year.

Does that mean you think Andersen > Vasilevskiy?

Are you disputing TBL defense is much better than ours? Come on now...