Better forward group: Tampa, Toronto or Other?
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kelsier
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Oh please, so you admit that you are 100% in line with the same exact people who piled up the list of the top centers and hence you truly believe that Auston Matthews is currently a top 4 center in the league? A simple yes or no answer will be sufficient. See, you basically stated that these "experts" should not judge players' in terms of what they accomplished prior to joining the NHL and I can't even count all the other times when you have referred to Matthews' pre-NHL career achievements and records from USDP for the purposes of promoting his NHL/player ceiling or what not. It's like you use it when it's beneficial and discard it when it's not. Everyone by now knows that Laine actually lead his team to the Cup in Europe in a much tougher league than Matthews played, while Matthews was not able to carry his team even past first round (like he never has in or out of NHL). Obviously it has little bearing to do with the current player power rankings and that's not what I'm implying, but all things considered why shouldn't it count? Cherry-picking whatever works to support one argument only tells half the story. Besides, no matter how you wish to twist it, NHL exclusive or entire pro career included Laine's cup achievements beat Matthews and it's not even close. Even at his single NHL-only Stanley Cup run was waaaay better than Matthews' two runs even if Laine himself played under below his own standards. As far as regular season stats go, please stop pretending that aTOI doesn't have a huge impact on the overall production.
Again, you don't have a crystal ball at disposal. Therefore you have no idea if Laine will be stuck and used as a secondary scoring threat or whether he gets promotion to the first line, or if the Jets management finally figures the best way of getting more results is to split talent across the lineup and divide the minutes cause they have so many different and unexplored ways to exploit the depth. For instance, 1a & 1b or even 1a & 1b & 1c type of a setup as opposed to running the current and outdated 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th lines. We simply don't know what will happen. The point here is that there are avenues to explore and no matter how much you try to argue, losing Stastny will not bring down the card house and there are replacements, such as Roslovic. The Jets have the most top young guns out of any of these top scoring teams and each one of them should be better players come 18-19, which in turn will harness better results. You brought in Tavarez and now your abound for a cap hell with no real space to maneuvre. The Jets will have the same problems in the coming years but they are also a much the deeper team with a real blueline to support the forwards.
Yeah I thought so. As I said I've never made any "lunatic" expectations, then disappeared when those expectations didn't transform into actual results. As far as PS' expectations go, he makes them based on Laine's max utilization and so far the Jets management hasn't even attempted to get the absolute best out of him. They don't need to and why? Cause you know that one thing called "depth". Meanwhile you continue you make completely unnecessary and immature jabs at Laine at pretty much every single turn and topic which has absolutely nothing to do with you or your fan base. Like we can see from here: https://hfboards.mandatory.com/posts/149103547/
I cannot but help to ask why? It's like an obsession spiced up with insecurity that takes over (really cannot figure out any other reasoning). I really would never resort to such means and running around mocking another young gifted player in the main boards (whatever you do behind the closed doors is your business though) if I considered him as a rival to my favorite player. The type of behavior only knocks out whatever credibility one could have on a public discussion board, such as www.hfboards.com. Nonetheless, all to their own I suppose.
Nylander and Gourde had the same amount of ES points this year. So maybe change your thing to Kuch>Marner and Nylander=Gourde. Or I mean Marner also only had 7 less ES points than Gourde.. And was dominant in the second half + playoffs. I don't think people realize this but Marner's line was playing against the Bergeron line in the playoffs (Chara-McAvoy against Matthews) and he still scored 9 points in 7 games with Plekanec as his center for 3 of the games.
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Good god, enough with posting the phrase victim complex every time you hear something you don't like
What, the truth that you guys yell victim complex whenever confronted with a logical issue so you don’t need to address it? nah.
How is calling everyone who votes against the leafs "anti leaf" a logical issue? Did you ever stop to think, even just for a moment that maybe....MAYBE other people have different opinions?
what on earth are you babbling about? the guy asked a reasonable question and you start yelling victim complex.
Lmao get a load of this guy
whenever you want to address what he said, or what I said, go for it.
not holding my breath.
Romang67
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Where in there do you see a reasonable question? It's an assertion that anyone who votes for Tampa in this poll is "anti Leaf".
Calling anyone who does not vote for the leafs "anti leaf" is a victim complex. Its that simple. I've seen this numerous times on these forums and its sad.
La Masse
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where the 3 30 goal centres were being considered in the comparison?? not sure how you could ignore that, unless you had some other reason to. that was what the guy said. it's fairly impressive.
don't think HFBoards likes the pushback on the ol' victim trope. oh well.
I've seen a ton of anti-Leaf crap on here too, also sad.
so there we are.
a whole bunch of sadness.
Romang67
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There was no comparison. There was an assertion that anyone who wasn't swayed by 3 30 goal centres were "anti Leaf".
It's like saying that anyone who doesn't think the Jets has top 2 goaltending in the league is anti Jets, because Hellebuyck was 2nd in Vezina voting. It's ignoring a plethora of factors that ultimately greatly affect whether the claim is true. It's not attempting to have a discussion. It's trying to cut off a discussion by saying that anyone who disagrees is biased. It's extremely lazy, and it doesn't further the discussion in the slightest. I understand exactly why people are reacting against it.
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Speaking of ignoring, not sure how you could ignore the part where he implied anyone who didn't pick the Leafs was anti-Leaf.
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Tampa has the better forward group.
I could see Toronto being better maybe after this year but they have to prove themselves first
Tampa has the better forward group.
I could see Toronto being better maybe after this year but they have to prove themselves first
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Pyrophorus
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