Best Rosters of All Time

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  1. lfchockey*

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    I'm trying to come up with a the best rosters from every team over the history of the NHL and I would like some input from some 'experts' like yourselves.

    If you feel that a player needs to be added/removed then please make a reply to this post.

    PS (the criteria for a player to be on a certain team is that they must play the most games for that team compared to any other team they played for)
     
  2. John Flyers Fan

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    Barber - Clarke - Leach
    LeClair - Lindros - Recchi
    Propp - Brind'amour - Tocchet
    Gagne - MacLeish - Kerr

    Extras: Poulin, Dornhoeffer

    Howe - McCrimmon
    Johnsson - Desjardins
    Joe Watson - Pitkanen

    Extras: Ashbee, Wilson, Dupont, Jim Watson

    Parent
    Lindbergh
     
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    That's high praise for Pitkanen to put him up there already.
     
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    Thanks a lot. I cherish your input!
     
  5. John Flyers Fan

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    The Flyers have never had much in the way of stud defenseman other than Howe and Desjardins. I'll be very surprised if Pitkanen doesn't win the Flyers first Norris trophy, and finish as th ebest defenseman in Flyers history.
     
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    are you going by talent alone, or value to the organization?


    If Pitkanen was traded tomorrow, I don't think I would put him in such a high class just yet
     
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    I'd like to see a team for montreal.
     
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    Habs:
    Moore Belliveau M.Richard
    Shutt H.Richard Lafleur
    Cournoyer Morenz Geoffrion
    Gainey Lach Lalonde

    Harvey Robinson
    Savard Lapointe
    Laperierre Johnson

    Roy
    Plante

    Leafs:
    Mahovlich Keon Gilmour
    Conacher Primeau Sittler
    Sundin Apps Macdonald
    Clarke Kennedy Armstrong

    Salming Horton
    Barilko Clancy
    Horner Turnbull

    Bower
    Broda

    Bruins:
    Cashman Esposito Hodge
    Bauer Schmitt Dumart
    Bucyk Oates Neely
    Middleton McNab O'reilly

    Orr Shore
    Bourque Clapper
    Quackenbush Flaman

    Thompson
    Cheevers
     
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    Is this considering entire careers or just the player's career on a team? Example.....Terry Sawchuk or Jacques Plante. Could they be considered for Boston because they played there a season or two or not considered because they enjoyed the majority of their success elsewhere.
     
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    If asked which way you'd pick, I'd have bet heavily that you would take Jim W over Joe. That's surprisng to me. I always thought Jim was easily superior. Well, you saw them more than I did.
     
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    Very close. Jimmy appeared to be the better skater/passer etc. but Joe actually put up more points, and was more physical. He also had a longer career.

    Flip a coin.
     
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    What I think it would look like.


    Kurri - Gretzky - Anderson
    Smyth - Messier - Tikkanen
    Simpson - Weight - Guerin
    Klima - Arnott - Damphousse
    Hemsky

    Coffey - Pronger
    S. Smith - Lowe
    Huddy - Niniima
    J. Smith

    Fuhr
    Ranford
    Moog
    Joesph

    I could be wrong, feel free to correct me.
     
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    Much as I like Plante, I think I would put either Dryden or Durnan ahead of him. But other than that hair-splitting this is pretty close. You could also make the case for Chelios over Johnson.
     
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    I question the strength of the league at the time of Durnan's dominance, at least enough to place him behind Plante and Dryden. He wasn't great, but the numbers are a bit elevated, I think. In terms of that #6 d-man, I'd go with Butch Bouchard (with the same caveats as Durnan) or J.C. Tremblay.
     
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    Here's my team. I start in the early 50's. I figure that there has to be a starting point and the game changed so much from era to era that I don't want to compare Morenz to Cournoyer. I know Lach and Cleghorn and Joliat also get left out, but the team'll be ok.

    I'd roll these 4 lines.

    Boom Boom Geoffrion- Beliveau- Naslund
    Rocket Richard-Henri Richard-Dickie Moore
    Lafleur-Lemaire-Shutt
    Cournoyer-Pete Mahovlich-Bob Gainey

    I picked Naslund so I wouldn't get called a xenophobic Canadian homer. Gilles Tremblay,Claude Provost,Bert Olmstead, even Stephane Richer could be a credible choice on this team. Hell, put Elmer Lach up there, why not Ralph Backstrom,Saku Koivu, Bobby Rousseau,Floyd Curry,Carbo ?

    On D. Savard-Robinson
    Lapointe-Laperriere
    Harvey-Chelios
    JC Tremblay could easily join that group. The other 50's d men like Johnson and co. are tough to evaluate due to Harvey's dominance. Bouchard and Tremblay would make a pretty nice mixture of skill and toughness though.

    IN nets, Patrick Roy,Dryden and Plante, I'd just take a bribe, I couldn't pick 1 or 2 and think I was right, there are just too many arguements that make sense for each one of them. Hell give me Roy. Dryden and Plante's interviews would run too long.

    I'd let Toe Blake coach because Scotty would never take the job if Toe was available.

    Roger Doucet could sing the anthems.

    Claude Mouton would do the pa.

    Danny Gallivan on play by play with Irvin in the booth.
     
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    Ottawa Senators (modern franchise only)

    Heatley-Spezza-Alfredsson
    Avedson-Bonk-Hossa
    McEachern-Yashin-Dackell
    Schaeffer-Fisher-Havlat

    Phillips-Chara
    Redden-York
    Duchesne-Volchenkov

    Hasek
    Lalime

    These have the benefit of (except for Duchesne and Volchenkov) being actual lines and defence pairings over extended periods. The ranking is by line not by individual players. Tough they are lines I think these are the best 12 Sens forwards and 6 D-Men. Apologies to the great early Captain Cunneyworth who is my pick as 13 forward. Van Allen, Leshychyn, Kravchuk, Juneau, Neil, Tugnutt, Rhodes, White, MacIver, Smolinski all deserve HM.

    For a new expansion team with a 13 year history that is 4 pretty good lines and 2 great Defence pairings.
     
  17. lfchockey*

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    You guys are amazing!
    This is exactly what I'm looking for!

    To clarify, for a player to be on a team, he must have played the majority of his career on a certain team.
    For instance, Jason Arnott played 302 games for New Jersey and 286 games for Edmonton. Therefore, he would be considered New Jersey's property.

    However, a guy like Petr Klima played more games for Detroit than for Edmonton, but because he wouldn't make Detroit's 20 man roster, he would make Edmonton's roster.

    The debate throughout the ages will never go away. I think the arguments that you guys make are extremely valid.

    I'm going to upload the unpolished rosters that I have so far. It is a Microsoft Excel file so I hope you can open it. Each worksheet is a different team.
     
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    Plante is one of the best goalie EVER. Dryden isn't as good and talented.
     
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    Goal: Kirk McLean, Richard Brodeur, Gary Smith
    Defence: Mattias Ohlund, Ed Jovanovski, Harold Snepsts, Garth Butcher, Jyrki Lumme, Doug Lidster, Rick Lanz
    Forwards: Markus Naslund, Todd Bertuzzi, Brendan Morrison, Stan Smyl, Thomas Gradin, Tony Tanti, Orland Kurtenbach, Trevor Linden, Pavel Bure, Andre Boudrias, Geoff Courtnall, Greg Adams, Cliff Ronning, Tiger Williams
    Edit: Lumme replaces Kearns
     
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    You're missing: Mark Messier, Cam Neely, Alexander Mogilny, and Jyrki Lumme.

    EDIT: Nevermind, just saw that they have to have played most games for the team.
     
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    Lumme should be there
     
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    How about Don Lever for the Canucks?
    Or even Dave Babych?
     
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    Quick and dirty for the Sabres (some guys like LaFontaine, Hawerchuk, and Horton don't qualify per games played rule):

    (lines sort of by era)
    Rene Roberts - Gilbert Perreault - Rick Martin
    Dave Andreychuk - Pierre Turgeon - Alexander Mogilny
    Don Luce - Craig Ramsay - Danny Gare
    Miroslav Satan - Daniel Briere - Rob Ray
    hon. mention Mike Foligno

    Phil Housley - Mike Ramsey
    Jim Schoenfeld - Alexei Zhitnik
    Larry Playfair - Lindy Ruff
    hon. mention Richard Smehlik???

    Dominik Hasek
    Roger Crozier (technically played more games in Detroit)
    if not Crozier: Don Edwards? Martin Biron? Daren Puppa?
     
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    I think the best way to go about it is that a player is only worth his value at that particular time for the team. Basically, it has to be a player who is readily identified with the team, no matter how long he was there. Otherwise there's some problems. The LA Kings are probably defined by Wayne Gretzky more than any other player, but they wouldn't have his "rights" in this contest because he played more games for Edmonton. There's guys out there like Messier, Belfour, Roy, and MacInnis who should rightfully belong to two teams because they accomplished so much with both. But I understand your concern if something like Bourque and Lafleur end up in Colorado/Quebec. I guess what I'm saying is that there should be no strict rule on it, just common sense
     
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    All-Time Teams (by HHOF Monitor Points )

    SJ

    Friesen Jeff -- Damphousse Vincent -- Nolan Owen
    Sturm Marco -- Marleau Patrick -- Selanne Teemu
    Korolyuk Alexander -- Ricci Mike -- Dahlen Ulf
    Thornton Scott -- Larionov Igor -- Sundstrom Niklas

    Rathje Mike -- Ragnarsson Marcus
    Stuart Brad -- Ozolinsh Sandis
    Hannan Scott -- Marchment Bryan
    Norton Jeff -- More Jayson

    Nabokov Evgeni
    Irbe Arturs
    Shields Steve

    VAN

    Naslund Markus -- Gradin Thomas -- Linden Trevor
    Bure Pavel -- Ronning Cliff -- Smyl Stan
    Bertuzzi Todd -- Adams Greg -- Mogilny Alexander
    Courtnall Geoff -- Morrison Brendan -- Tanti Tony

    Lumme Jyrki -- Snepsts Harold
    Kearns Dennis -- Jovanovski Ed
    Ohlund Mattias -- Lidster Doug
    Babych Dave -- Butcher Garth

    Mclean Kirk
    Brodeur Richard
    Cloutier Dan

    NYI

    Gillies Clark -- Trottier Bryan -- Bossy Mike
    Tonelli John -- Goring Butch -- Nystrom Bobby
    King Derek -- Bourne Bob -- Sutter Duane
    Gilbert Greg -- Sutter Brent -- Kallur Anders

    Potvin Denis -- Persson Stefan
    Morrow Ken -- Langevin Dave
    Lane Gord -- Jonsson Tomas
    Mcewen Mike -- Lorimer Bob

    Smith Billy
    Resch Glenn
    Melanson Rollie

    PHO

    Tkachuk Keith -- Hawerchuk Dale -- Selanne Teemu
    Smail Doug -- Steen Tom -- Maclean Paul
    Lukowich Morris -- Zhamnov Alexei -- Doan Shane
    Shannon Darrin -- Roenick Jeremy -- Drake Dallas

    Numminen Teppo -- Housley Phil
    Babych Dave -- Carlyle Randy
    Ellett Dave -- Olausson Fredrik
    Tverdovsky Oleg -- Watters Tim

    Khabibulin Nikolai
    Essensa Bob
    Burke Sean

    COL

    Goulet Michel -- Sakic Joe -- Hejduk Milan
    Kamensky Valeri -- Forsberg Peter -- Deadmarsh Adam
    Tanguay Alex -- Stastny Peter -- Lemieux Claude
    Stastny Anton -- Drury Chris -- Young Scott

    Bourque Ray -- Blake Rob
    Ozolinsh Sandis -- Foote Adam
    Klemm Jon -- Leschyshyn Curtis
    Gusarov Alexei -- Skoula Martin

    Roy Patrick
    Gosselin Mario
    Bouchard Dan

    DAL

    Payne Steve -- Modano Mike -- Bellows Brian
    Grant Danny -- Broten Neal -- Lehtinen Jere
    Parise J.P. -- Smith Bobby -- Ciccarelli Dino
    Mccarthy Tom J. -- Nieuwendyk Joe -- Goldsworthy Bill

    Zubov Sergei -- Hatcher Derian
    Sydor Darryl -- Matvichuk Richard
    Hartsburg Craig -- Giles Curt
    Maxwell Brad -- Ludwig Craig

    Belfour Ed
    Turco Marty
    Maniago Cesare

    BUF

    Martin Rick -- Perreault Gil -- Gare Danny
    Ramsay Craig -- Lafontaine Pat -- Robert Rene
    Mogilny Alexander -- Andreychuk Dave -- Satan Miroslav
    Ruff Lindy -- Luce Don -- Audette Donald

    Housley Phil -- Schoenfeld Jim
    Ramsey Mike -- Zhitnik Alexei
    Hajt Bill -- Korab Jerry
    Smehlik Richard -- Woolley Jason

    Hasek Dominik
    Barrasso Tom
    Edwards Don

    BOS

    Bucyk John -- Esposito Phil -- Clapper Dit
    Dumart Woody -- Cowley Bill -- Bauer Bobby
    Cashman Wayne -- Schmidt Milt -- Middleton Rick
    Cain Herb -- Mckenney Don -- Neely Cam

    Orr Bobby -- Bourque Ray
    Shore Eddie -- Park Brad
    Crawford Jack -- Flaman Fernie
    Hitchman Lionel -- Mohns Doug

    Brimsek Frank
    Thompson Tiny
    Cheevers Gerry

    NYR

    Cook Bun -- Boucher Frank -- Cook Bill
    Patrick Lynn -- Messier Mark -- Bathgate Andy
    Hadfield Vic -- Ratelle Jean -- Hextall Bryan Sr.
    Murdoch Murray -- Henry Camille -- Gilbert Rod

    Leetch Brian -- Park Brad
    Gadsby Bill -- Johnson Ching
    Howell Harry -- Heller Ott
    Harvey Doug -- Coulter Art

    Giacomin Ed
    Rayner Chuck
    Kerr Dave

    CLB

    Nash Rick -- Knutsen Espen -- Vyborny David
    Whitney Ray -- Wright Tyler -- Marshall Grant
    Sanderson Geoff -- Cassels Andrew -- Heinze Stephen
    Kron Robert -- Sillinger Mike -- Zherdev Nikolai

    Spacek Jaroslav -- Klesla Rostislav
    Grand-Pierre Jean Luc -- Quint Deron
    Odelein Lyle -- Timander Mattias
    Richardson Luke -- Pushor Jamie

    Denis Marc
    Tugnutt Ron
    Brathwaite Fred

    MIN

    Gaborik Marian -- Walz Wes -- Zholtok Sergei
    Brunette Andrew -- Dowd Jim -- Daigle Alexandre
    Laaksonen Antti -- Park Richard -- Pellerin Scott
    Dupuis Pascal -- Hendrickson Darby -- Krivokrasov Sergei

    Kuba Filip -- Mitchell Willie
    Sekeras Lubomir -- Schultz Nick
    Bombardir Brad -- Zyuzin Andrei
    Marshall Jason -- Benysek Ladislav

    Roloson Dwayne
    Fernandez Emmanuel
    Mclennan Jamie

    TOR

    Mahovlich Frank -- Apps C.J. Syl -- Conacher Charlie
    Drillon Gordie -- Kennedy Ted -- Dye Babe
    Jackson Busher -- Keon Dave -- Armstrong George
    Smith Sid -- Sundin Mats -- Bailey Ace I.


    Horton Tim -- Salming Borje
    Stanley Allan -- Brewer Carl
    Thomson James R. -- Clancy King
    Pratt Babe -- Stanowski Wally

    Broda Turk
    Bower Johnny
    Lumley Harry

    DET

    Lindsay Ted -- Yzerman Steve -- Howe Gordie
    Shanahan Brendan -- Delvecchio Alex -- Aurie Larry
    Lewis Herbie -- Fedorov Sergei -- Bruneteau Mud
    Pavelich Marty -- Abel Sid -- Carveth Joe

    Lidstrom Nicklas -- Kelly Red
    Pronovost Marcel -- Goodfellow Ebbie
    Stewart Jack -- Coffey Paul
    Chelios Chris -- Quackenbush Bill

    Sawchuk Terry
    Crozier Roger
    Lumley Harry

    PHI

    Leclair John -- Clarke Bobby -- Leach Reggie
    Barber Bill -- Lindros Eric -- Recchi Mark
    Propp Brian -- Macleish Rick -- Kerr Tim
    Lonsberry Ross -- Brind'Amour Rod -- Dornhoefer Gary

    Howe Mark -- Desjardins Eric
    Watson Jim C. -- Van Impe Ed
    Dupont Andre -- Watson Joe
    Bladon Tom -- Mccrimmon Brad

    Parent Bernie
    Hextall Ron
    Lindbergh Pell

    PIT

    Stevens Kevin -- Lemieux Mario -- Jagr Jaromir
    Errey Bob -- Francis Ron -- Pronovost Jean
    Bourque Phil -- Straka Martin -- Mullen Joe
    Loney Troy -- Apps Syl M. -- Kovalev Alexei

    Coffey Paul -- Murphy Larry
    Carlyle Randy -- Samuelsson Ulf
    Stackhouse Ron -- Taglianetti Peter
    Stanton Paul -- Jennings Grant

    Barrasso Tom
    Wregget Ken
    Young Wendell
     
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