Best player in franchise history-New Jersey Devils

[Ezpz]

Listing a bunch of goalies and their save percentages doesn't exactly prove much though, does it. What happens if we do the same for GAA or wins? (hint: Brodeur looks very good).

Wins aren't an individual stat tho. Brodeur def didn't deserve that vezina.

 

[Albatros]

Listing a bunch of goalies and their save percentages doesn't exactly prove much though, does it. What happens if we do the same for GAA or wins? (hint: Brodeur looks very good).

Brodeur always played a ton, but that in itself shouldn't be much of an argument for Vezina. For example compared to Marty Turco:

SV%
Turco .932
Brodeur .914

GAA
Turco 1.73
Brodeur 2.02

GSAA
Turco 31.9
Brodeur 8.5

Wins
Turco 31/51 (60.8 %)
Brodeur 41/73 (56.2 %)

 

[Zenos]

Wins aren't an individual stat tho. Brodeur def didn't deserve that vezina.

Are we seriously going to argue about awards from two decades ago?

My point wasn’t that he should or shouldn’t have won it - just that listing a single stat (whether it be sp, gaa, wins, whatever) isn’t really indicative of anything worthwhile.

 

[amnesiac]

Hašek was simply the far superior goalie, but many voters were actively looking for a way to give Brodeur the Vezina which then occurred in 2003:

(goalies with min. 50 gp)

Marty Turco .932
Dwayne Roloson .927
Roman Čechmánek .925
Ed Belfour .922
Jean-Sébastien Giguère .920
Patrick Roy .920
Olaf Kölzig .919
Roberto Luongo .918
Tomáš Vokoun .918
Mike Dunham .916
Jocelyn Thibault .915
Martin Brodeur .914

And the Vezina Trophy goes to... Martin Brodeur!

Later on Brodeur did deserve a couple of Vezinas, but as said there's still a lot of air in his legacy.

73GP and 41W vs 51GP for Turco may have A LOT to do with it...... no way he maintains that SV% over 70+

Wins aren't an individual stat tho. Brodeur def didn't deserve that vezina.

GP is, though, and playing 22 more games than another goalie in a season has a lot of value whether you think so or not.

 

[Albatros]

73GP and 41W vs 51GP for Turco may have A LOT to do with it...... no way he maintains that SV% over 70+

To be exact 55 games played, as the four remaining scorelines were credited to Tugnutt (2W, 2L).

Goalies aren't expected to play 70+ games, most starters never do. This season Saros led the league with 67, Shestyorkin won the Vezina with 53 games played. Besides Turco did have a schedule as busy as anyone so that playing less didn't help his numbers, he just missed over a month to ankle injury. His GAA was the best of any goalie since 1940, save percentage up there with peak Hašek. Just he didn't have the narratives on his side.

 

[Dirty Dog]

I agree he is overrated, but he’s still one of the best ever and the best NJ player.

 

[amnesiac]

To be exact 55 games played, as the four remaining scorelines were credited to Tugnutt (2W, 2L).

Goalies aren't expected to play 70+ games, most starters never do. This season Saros led the league with 67, Shestyorkin won the Vezina with 53 games played. Besides Turco did have a schedule as busy as anyone so that playing less didn't help his numbers, he just missed over a month to ankle injury. His GAA was the best of any goalie since 1940, save percentage up there with peak Hašek. Just he didn't have the narratives on his side.

Shesty put up better numbers (I believe the 3rd highest SV% all time) in a year where scoring was at its highest in 26 years. Turco did it at the peak of the DPE under Dave Tippett.

Not saying it wasnt impressive or even maybe deserved the Vezina in 03, but again, he surely doesnt maintain that SV% over 70+. The voting shouldve defiintely been closer.

ANd in the end, even if Brodeur finishes 2nd in Vezina that year, does that hurt his legacy all that much? not at all.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Goalies aren't expected to play 70+ games, most starters never do. This season Saros led the league with 67, Shestyorkin won the Vezina with 53 games played.

Bear in mind that as late as the 3/4 mark of the season, there were real questions as to whether Shestyorkin had played enough games to be Vezina worthy.

Again I agree that some of Brodeur’s recognition felt inflated by his reputation, but all of this is ignoring that he was up against peak Hasek during two Vezina worthy seasons, and that happened before reputation was a factor.

 

[Wierzbowski426]

Brodeur revolutionized the position with his puck handling on top of everything else and that's often overlooked.

 

[North Cole]

Top 30 goalie maybe, Brodeur has his merits for sure but he also benefited of playing behind a tight system enormously. Even so never led the league in save percentage and only once in goals against average. Had six seasons of goals saved below average. In that sense similar to Curtis Joseph who also had the highest highs and lowest lows.

I'm not super high on Brodeur and tend to think he gets a bit overrated. But...top 30 "maybe"?? Lmao. This post has more caps than Cristiano Ronaldo.

He's easily top 10.

 

[goonybird]

a goaltender playing 82 games a season is definitely a negative!

-HFBoards

 

[biturbo19]

I don't really want to vote for Brodeur here, but i honestly can't conceive of a reason not to.

 

[Stephen]

I have nothing against Brodeur, for some reason some long-time Devils players like him and Niedermayer are exceptionally overrated while at the same time others like Elias are very underrated.

Brodeur actually played so long for New Jersey that the time scales get a little bit crazy.

Brodeur spent 11 full seasons playing with Niedermayer and Stevens (up until 2004) racking up a Hall of Fame career, and then another 9 years without them, going to the finals once and winning 2x Vezinas and a Jennings post lockout which would be worthy of a Hall of Fame career in and of itself.

He also managed to play more games in net than Patrik Elias as a position player over a similar time span.

 

[wasunder]

It’s Brodeur because the question is who is the best player in New Jersey devils franchise history and the correct answer to that is Brodeur.

 

[Bouboumaster]

There's only two options here:

- Martin Brodeur
and
- Someone who isn't Martin Brodeur and it's a bad answer

I voted for the first choice

 

[RANDOMH3RO]

Picking anyone other than Brodeur is over thinking it.

 

[Scorcho]

tie between elias/stevens/nieds/brodeur

hard to pick between the them because they were all integral to the success of the devils golden years​

 

[elmaco]

Kovy? I was a massive fan of his at Atlanta and the Devils.

 

[Lateralous]

Not sure if serious?

I know he gets thought of as a 2nd like points compiler around here (such a sin because he was single handedly covering up Lou’s roster mistakes post salary cap by anchoring a functional 2nd line) but prime Kovy in a Devils uniform can’t touch prime Elias.

 

[elmaco]

Not sure if serious?

I know he gets thought of as a 2nd like points compiler around here (such a sin because he was single handedly covering up Lou’s roster mistakes post salary cap by anchoring a functional 2nd line) but prime Kovy in a Devils uniform can’t touch prime Elias.

I'll have to disagree. Points to Elias for longevity but prime Kovy was better imo.