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well obviously stats dont mean that much all the time if crosbys season is below henrik sedins lmfao
well obviously stats dont mean that much all the time if crosbys season is below henrik sedins lmfao
Why is Ovy's half season up at 52 games? IIRC he had a better P/G through 41.
Nevermind, I saw him behind one of Sid's seasons and thought it was Crosby's 2011, not his 2007. Carry on.I think he had 65 points in his first 41 games in 2010, which was a lower PPG (1.59) than he had thru 52 games.
If anyone finds an error with, better PPG for, or missing player-season, please indicate the player, season, and games (e.g. Jones '05 first 41 games or games 15-57). I will then verify that and amend the lists.
Neely did 50 in 44 but it wasn't the team's first 50 games so it didn't officially count
I was just going to mention that season. What a robbery in the 50/50 department, I don't see what it matters if his team played games first.
wow 96' Mario on pace for well well over 200 pts and nearly 100 goals.
It matters a lot. The point of 50 in 50 is pretty much to show what it was like when there was only 50 games in a season.
Neely scored 50 goals in 44 games, and only played 49 on the season.
I find it hard to argue the 50-in-50 team games argument against him validly.
The ONLY reason it exists is Richard fanboys propping up his achievement against other players.
I think the NHL needs to recognize the 40-in-20.
I don't understand. Why does it say best half seasons and then proceed to list many stat lines with players over 41 games? 52 games is not a half season...
The reason Crosby's 2010 WAS that impressive is because he dominated every inch of the ice, showing a dedication to defense and better overall play that he hadn't shown yet in his career. It was the most consistently dominant I'd seen any player play in my entire life, points be damned.
Exactly, how many players can say they scored at that rate while playing an all-around game? That's not even considering the wingers he had to work with.
I'm assuming you haven't seen Gilmour, Fedorov and Yzerman play in their primes, have you?
The raw offensive numbers Crosby produced were very impressive, but they were never the whole story.
When you consider the differences in scoring for era, linemates (how many on that list were flanked by Dupuis and Kunitz calibre offensive players when they put up those numbers?), and all-around play, his performance in '10-'11 was at least as impressive as any skater since '95-'96.
And putting up the best season for a skater in 15 years is remarkable.
Well i wholeheartedly disagree.
Mario Lemieux
Jaromir Jagr
Well above Crosby.
Sakic, Forsberg, Ovechkin and others are in the same tier and can be argued as good/better. Crosby's half season is pretty fast closing in the "most overrated feat" title on HF.
I'm assuming you haven't seen Gilmour, Fedorov and Yzerman play in their primes, have you?
On top of those names, I would gladly take Francis, Lindros, or Forsberg's all-around games over Crosby's, and the last two are ahead of Crosby's half season streak in this very thread.
Crosby's half season was awesome, and totally dominant. It puts him in the mix with a bunch of the elite all-time players. It does not, in any way shape or form, stand on it's own. Forsberg in the early 2000's, Lindros in the mid 90's, Fedorov in the early 90's, and ya, Gilmour too, were just as, if not more, full-ice dominant than Sid was. And, if you want to focus on just offense, the Gretzky, Jagr, Lemieux triad is still well above anyone else.
Not really my point, but did the research in response to that claim.
Actually, he has two excellent half seasons, just not quite as unusual as some seem to believe.
For each player-season, it's whatever stretch of 41+ games yields the highest PPG. It seems the fairest way, since 41 games within a season is really an arbitrary number.
The raw offensive numbers Crosby produced were very impressive, but they were never the whole story.
When you consider the differences in scoring for era, linemates (how many on that list were flanked by Dupuis and Kunitz calibre offensive players when they put up those numbers?), and all-around play, his performance in '10-'11 was at least as impressive as any skater since '95-'96.
And putting up the best season for a skater in 15 years is remarkable.
It wasn't the best season though, not even close. Maybe the best half season, but not close to the best season.