lilidk
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Wish you had an idk answer because idk. Kind of annoying how close they all are.
I can't help but feel that if the #19s (Krebs and Turcotte) played on opposite teams, it would be Krebs getting all the hype instead.
Going with Krebs. I think he's in some ways the anti-Dach; where Dach is criticized for skating and pace at times, Krebs is outstanding at those things. Dach is probably more purely skilled, but Krebs is just so well-rounded and always affecting the game. He's the closest I've seen in this draft to a Larkin type player, and I just don't think you can go wrong with that.
I can't help but feel that if the #19s (Krebs and Turcotte) played on opposite teams, it would be Krebs getting all the hype instead.
Why?
There is no denying they are very similar players; so I tend to agree with your assessment. This may catch some flak, but I think there is some serious American bias that exists in favor of Turcotte (and it comes in the form of ignoring situational performance), because I don't see how he is a drastically better player than Krebs. The trend I've noticed the most is recent rankings have Turcotte climbing into the 4-7 range, but Krebs is generally around the 8-12 range. I don't see that much disparity in their game. Especially if you consider what they are working with around them. Turcotte generally plays with at least one of the following: Hughes, Zegras, Boldy, Caufield. I mean, FFS, their PP1 unit is Zegras, Hughes, Turcotte, Caufield, and York...that entire unit is set to go top 15 of the draft. Now look at Kootenay's roster; there's a decent chance that Krebs is the only NHL player on that entire roster. We saw what he is capable of in U18s with talent around him.
I also think that Krebs will fit Detroit needs the mostGoing with Krebs. I think he's in some ways the anti-Dach; where Dach is criticized for skating and pace at times, Krebs is outstanding at those things. Dach is probably more purely skilled, but Krebs is just so well-rounded and always affecting the game. He's the closest I've seen in this draft to a Larkin type player, and I just don't think you can go wrong with that.
I can't help but feel that if the #19s (Krebs and Turcotte) played on opposite teams, it would be Krebs getting all the hype instead.
I don't think you should get flak for this as I've wondered the same myself. This year also seems unusual in that there's this big batch of American players all together on the USNTDP team in their pre-draft year, instead of some being in the NCAA or OHL as often happened in past years. I wonder if that gives them a bit of a leg up over the Canadian players in the rankings.There is no denying they are very similar players; so I tend to agree with your assessment. This may catch some flak, but I think there is some serious American bias that exists in favor of Turcotte (and it comes in the form of ignoring situational performance), because I don't see how he is a drastically better player than Krebs. The trend I've noticed the most is recent rankings have Turcotte climbing into the 4-7 range, but Krebs is generally around the 8-12 range. I don't see that much disparity in their game. Especially if you consider what they are working with around them. Turcotte generally plays with at least one of the following: Hughes, Zegras, Boldy, Caufield. I mean, FFS, their PP1 unit is Zegras, Hughes, Turcotte, Caufield, and York...that entire unit is set to go top 15 of the draft. Now look at Kootenay's roster; there's a decent chance that Krebs is the only NHL player on that entire roster. We saw what he is capable of in U18s with talent around him.
That is the whole story of 3-9 this year. They are all super, super close at this point. By asking people to pick, you are asking them to base decisions on very marginal differences. I personally think that Turcotte has a bit more natural skill. I also like his physical frame at this point a bit better. Now is that going to translate to a drastically better NHL player? I honestly have no idea.
If I had to guess, it's because he's American, playing in Plymouth, MI, surrounded by first round talent; whereas Krebs is a Canadian, playing in Western Canada, on a team devoid of talent.
This is an interesting practice, specifically just to pick your brain. Can you make a list of things you like about Turcotte's game, and compare those traits to Krebs? Tell me where Krebs doesn't meet the bill; I am curious if there is any glaring differences in your eyes that I may be ignoring.
I think they have some similar strengths.
Ultimately I think the difference is Turcotte has a higher floor and is more likely to stay at the center position. Turcotte is harder on the puck and is able to win more battles defensively. Maybe Krebs gets stronger and makes the difference negligible, but maybe not. I've learned to not just assume that as a given. Turcotte has the least question marks for me of any player after the top 2 guys with the minor exception of maybe his durability.
I'm talking about their situations. It's a lot easier to play a supporting role on an insanely stacked team than to play the only lead role on one of the worst teams possible. I think Turcotte's situation made it extremely easy to see his upside, whereas Krebs' situation made it pretty difficult. Until the U-18s, anyway, where I thought Krebs outshined (outshone?) Turcotte.Why?