Bears and NFL Talk Thread LIII: Countdown to the Preseason

[CPHawksFan]

Give it a rest, cutler is crap and thank God he's gone.

McCown though...he's actually pretty damn good now and he was with the Bears as well...but obviously not the future

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Saw a short article in the Chicago trib today speculating that the Bears will talk to Patriots offensive coordinator about taking over for Fox (can't recall his name) after the season. What are your thoughts? would he be someone you would hire?

That is Josh McDaniels and no we should avoid him at all costs

He was an absolute joke as HC in Denver and was man who traded back into 1st round to select Tim f***ing Tebow!

He is also a power mad little Napoleon who thinks he is BB and once claimed credit for Tom Brady who was already a star before he was coached by Josh McDaniels

He also hired his brother to be QB coach in NFL. His brothers previous experience was as a high school QB coach

 

[Illinihockey]

That is Josh McDaniels and no we should avoid him at all costs

He was an absolute joke as HC in Denver and was man who traded back into 1st round to select Tim ****ing Tebow!

He is also a power mad little Napoleon who thinks he is BB and once claimed credit for Tom Brady who was already a star before he was coached by Josh McDaniels

He also hired his brother to be QB coach in NFL. His brothers previous experience was as a high school QB coach

McDaniels isn't high on my list, but its quite possible he's been humbled and has grown after the debacle in Denver. Just because he was bad his first time around doesn't mean he'd be such a failure again.

 

[clydesdale line]

McDaniels was pretty young and arrogant when he took the job years ago as a HC. There's multiple reports that say he's way more ready now and more mature. There is no doubting his brilliance as an offensive mind.

 

[HawksBeerFan]

Glad I didn't watch a minute of the Bears game yesterday, better things to do than that.

I think there's a real chance Fox gets fired today though. Please let it happen.

Sounds like Mitch wasn't great but his numbers look OK... 12/15, 1 TD, 0 INTs and of his three incompletions 2 were drops and 1 was a throwaway.

 

[Sarava]

One last thought.

With the Bears in 'debacle mode' right now, there's a definite risk that it spills over in to free agency this coming off-season and where players won't want to come here. Generally players don't like to join a sinking ship, barring a clear overpay.

One thing that might change that perception would be a big name head coach hire. Cough...Jon Gruden. Just pay the man what he wants. He would bring an excitement here that no other hire could bring. And with that, maybe some real talent will come and sign here?

 

[Illinihockey]

I know we're gong to do this forever, but what makes people think that players would be excited playing for a coach that hasn't coached in a decade and was fired from his last job for missing the playoffs 4 out of 6 seasons? It boggles the mind. Would people be pumped if Lovie came back to coaching?

 

[HawksBeerFan]

One last thought.

With the Bears in 'debacle mode' right now, there's a definite risk that it spills over in to free agency this coming off-season and where players won't want to come here. Generally players don't like to join a sinking ship, barring a clear overpay.

One thing that might change that perception would be a big name head coach hire. Cough...Jon Gruden. Just pay the man what he wants. He would bring an excitement here that no other hire could bring. And with that, maybe some real talent will come and sign here?

I really don't get the Gruden love. I think it's a pipe dream anyway, dude seems to love being in the booth. Either way though, yes he has some success in the NFL but that was years ago now.

The "cheap Bears" narrative will continue if they don't hire him, even if no other team does.

 

[Sarava]

I know we're gong to do this forever, but what makes people think that players would be excited playing for a coach that hasn't coached in a decade and was fired from his last job for missing the playoffs 4 out of 6 seasons? It boggles the mind. Would people be pumped if Lovie came back to coaching?

I think he's highly thought of around the NFL football world. He's a high energy guy that I think can get people excited.

Most people don't have this poor view on Jon Gruden that you have. He has a very good track record as a head coach and with getting the most out of quarterbacks.

The last 5-6 years he had an aging and falling apart roster that nobody was going to succeed with, and the record showed.

 

[plasmonresonance]

Bears got no pressure today then just sat back in zone. Garrapolo barely had to make any contested throws

Seemed like everytime the Bears only rushed three, Garrapolo simply waited and waited until somebody opened up. Why can't Mitch be so lucky as to only face three man rushes? That's a rhetorical question, btw.

 

[Sarava]

I really don't get the Gruden love. I think it's a pipe dream anyway, dude seems to love being in the booth. Either way though, yes he has some success in the NFL but that was years ago now.

The "cheap Bears" narrative will continue if they don't hire him, even if no other team does.

It depends on who they hire. If they hire Jim Harbaugh, nobody will be calling them cheap. Even Josh McDaniels will come at a somewhat steep cost. Now, if they pluck some random coordinator who's never been a head coach from some team and pay him on the low end of the scale, yeah people will say that and they'll be right.

And that's exactly the type of coach that will not help energize anything around here, nor will it help lure any kind of free agents to sign here.

 

[Illinihockey]

The last 5-6 years he had an aging and falling apart roster that nobody was going to succeed with, and the record showed.

Gruden had full control of that roster, so him not winning a playoff game after his first season with the Bucs is not a positive.

 

[HawksBeerFan]

It depends on who they hire. If they hire Jim Harbaugh, nobody will be calling them cheap. Even Josh McDaniels will come at a somewhat steep cost. Now, if they pluck some random coordinator who's never been a head coach from some team and pay him on the low end of the scale, yeah people will say that and they'll be right.

And that's exactly the type of coach that will not help energize anything around here, nor will it help lure any kind of free agents to sign here.

So two of the most successful recent head coaching hires have been Sean McVay and Doug Pederson. Both were unproven, former offensive coordinators who were not "sexy" hires to bring in free agents.

It doesn't matter who you get or what their background is as long as you get the right guy.

 

[Sarava]

Gruden had full control of that roster, so him not winning a playoff game after his first season with the Bucs is not a positive.

Alright, then don't give him GM powers. If he won't accept that, then too bad.

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

And that thought brings another question. If you're a good coaching candidate - do you want to take the Bears job when the GM is hanging on to his job by a thread?

If Pace gets wacked after 1 season, the new GM is going to want his own guy.

With that in mind, I don't see why a Jon Gruden or Josh McDaniels would take this job.

It's a fair question, but there are only so many jobs out there. The Bears are going to be in competition with whatever other jobs are open at the moment. Generally speaking, if the job is open, it's not exactly a great situation at the moment. I can see someone like Gruden, picking his spots, maybe McDaniels. But most OC/DC candidates, who don't have head coaching experience can't be that patient. They need to strike while they are the hot name. There's no guarantee they will be this time next year.

If you are letting Pace make the hire, you have to commit to giving him 2 years, to avoid the situation you mention.

 

[TheSting]

Bears have to land guys with a proven track record.....

-Rookie GM (Ryan Pace)
-Basically a Rookie Offensive Coordinator (Dowell Loggains), Dowell has only been in the NFL since 2012 and only had 1 year of coordinator experience with the Titans before he hooked up with the Bears. When he got let go by the Titans he landed a QB's coach job with the Browns up to the point the Bears hired him
-John Fox (soon to be in retirement)

In summary the Bears have Pace and Loggains getting on the job training with a soon to be retired headcoach all responsible for molding a raw 1 year college QB...hahhaha....how did the McCaskey's and bean counter Ted Phillips sign this off and expect it to go well? They made their own bed.

Week 17 presser can't come any sooner!!

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Gruden had full control of that roster, so him not winning a playoff game after his first season with the Bucs is not a positive.

Gruden did not have full control

Look no further then having Chris Simms forced on him. Gruden was not in favor of drafting Chris Simms

Reality is that Rich McCay and Gruden didn't get along and McCay left (WHich hurt Bucs)

Bruce Allen was brought in to replace him because of his past history with Gruden only for Allen to start making moves which Gruden was not in favor of such as drafting Simms

Allen is massive tool as seen by his antics in Washington recently and also tends to force out opposition and consolidate power which he did in TB removing front office staff put in place by McCay and eventually having his relationship with Gruden go south in final years in TB

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

So two of the most successful recent head coaching hires have been Sean McVay and Doug Pederson. Both were unproven, former offensive coordinators who were not "sexy" hires to bring in free agents.

It doesn't matter who you get or what their background is as long as you get the right guy.

Here is problem with that ,, Those places didn't have fanbases in revolt and Bears history of passing up HC candidates to hire cheap and docile 1st time HC

Also the disasters that have been hiring of Trestman and Fox makes hitting on this coach an absolute must especially with Trubisky in need of development and what Bears paid to get him and potential it has to set back franchise if he doesn't work out

Gruden is best option out there and his history of working with QB's and getting results speaks for itself

Gruden had Bobby Hoying and Ty Detmer playing as passable #1's in 90's and both guys were no talent bums without him

Hell Hoying completely fell apart when Gruden left Philly

Work with Gruden speaks for itself and Johnson had best year of his career under Gruden.

Then guys like Bruce Gradkowski and even Luke McCown looked like NFL Qb's playing for him

 

[HawksBeerFan]

Here is problem with that ,, Those places didn't have fanbases in revolt and Bears history of passing up HC candidates to hire cheap and docile 1st time HC

Also the disasters that have been hiring of Trestman and Fox makes hitting on this coach an absolute must especially with Trubisky in need of development and what Bears paid to get him and potential it has to set back franchise if he doesn't work out

Gruden is best option out there and his history of working with QB's and getting results speaks for itself

Gruden had Bobby Hoying and Ty Detmer playing as passable #1's in 90's and both guys were no talent bums without him

Hell Hoying completely fell apart when Gruden left Philly

Work with Gruden speaks for itself and Johnson had best year of his career under Gruden.

Then guys like Bruce Gradkowski and even Luke McCown looked like NFL Qb's playing for him

There's like a 99% chance Gruden is in the booth next year, even if some team offered him HC/GM/President duties and $10MM/year.

So who are your other options?

 

[Illinihockey]

Gruden is best option out there and his history of working with QB's and getting results speaks for itself

Gruden had Bobby Hoying and Ty Detmer playing as passable #1's in 90's and both guys were no talent bums without him

Hell Hoying completely fell apart when Gruden left Philly

Work with Gruden speaks for itself and Johnson had best year of his career under Gruden.

Then guys like Bruce Gradkowski and even Luke McCown looked like NFL Qb's playing for him

He won 0 playoff games in his last 6 years with the Bucs. This is the guy you want to hire. 0.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

He won 0 playoff games in his last 6 years with the Bucs. This is the guy you want to hire. 0.

As pointed out the TB roster was on decline but he won them SB and his work in Oakland speaks for itself as does his work in Philly

And Bears need someone to develop our QB and he is best option

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Also Bears are in need of new kicker

 

[Illinihockey]

As pointed out the TB roster was on decline but he won them SB and his work in Oakland speaks for itself as does his work in Philly

And Bears need someone to develop our QB and he is best option

Should the Bears hire Mike Martz? His work with QB's speaks for itself.

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

Here is problem with that ,, Those places didn't have fanbases in revolt and Bears history of passing up HC candidates to hire cheap and docile 1st time HC

I don't understand what this means. What does the fanbase have to do with who the Bears hire? And those candidates were 1st time hires, so wouldn't that make the Bears more likely to hire them since prior to Fox they've only hired 1st time HCs?

 

[HawksBeerFan]

As pointed out the TB roster was on decline but he won them SB and his work in Oakland speaks for itself as does his work in Philly

And Bears need someone to develop our QB and he is best option

So who is your #2 if Gruden doesn't come back to coaching (he's very very unlikely to)