Prospect Info: Bakersfield Condors '18-19 Season III | Bird Fight!

[Tobias Kahun]

Glad they got him signed in the system. He’s a guy I could see getting an NHL deal this time next year, especially if a prospect dman or two gets moved for help up front during the year.

Good thing about a AHL deal is he can start in the echl if we have too many D

 

[BarDownBobo]

BLOG: Condors sign three players to AHL contracts

Two year deal for Desharnais.

 

[ImmuneEH]

Three thoughts.

1) My guess would have been that Desharnais is the 7D in Bakersfield.

2) It also looks like Benson and Marody are likely to start in the AHL unless they have a very strong camp.

Draisaitl/McDavid/Kassian
Lucic/Nuge/Chiasson
Granlund/?/Archibald
?/Cave/Gagner

Can Benson &/or Marody beat Nygard, Haas, Jurco, Khaira, Gambardella, Currie, and Brodziak for roster spots?

3) Lets say JP does sign... what do we even do with him? Can he pass one of Kassian, Chiasson, or Archibald on the depth chart? It seems like if we can trade him for a 3C that'd be ideal.

 

[PB37]

Hey guys!

Do you feel that Caleb Jones is ready to crack the NHL lineup fulltime or does he still need some AHL seasoning?

 

[780il]

Hey guys!

Do you feel that Caleb Jones is ready to crack the NHL lineup fulltime or does he still need some AHL seasoning?

We don't know tbh. We'll see what happens at training camp.

He did have a really good year on the farm last season so most of us think he is our most ready d prospect and could probably hold down a #5/6 spot the whole year.

 

[McFlyingV]

Hey guys!

Do you feel that Caleb Jones is ready to crack the NHL lineup fulltime or does he still need some AHL seasoning?

He's ready for bottom pairing in the NHL without a doubt imo. He'll have some competition with guys like Persson, Bouchard, Bear and Lagesson, but from what I saw last year in his NHL time he is without a doubt ready for a sheltered role. He looked very good until Hitchcock decided to give him top pairing minutes when a couple of injuries hit the Oilers and it was a bit too much for him to handle. He handled it well at first, but his game quickly deteriorated in that role. He's got a calmness to his game with the puck on his stick that will serve him well, and his skating and puck moving are above average at the NHL level. He will need to continue working on his D zone coverage, but the bottom pair will be perfect for him.

 

[McDNicks17]

Peluso added on an AHL deal too.

 

[oilynutz]

Hey guys!

Do you feel that Caleb Jones is ready to crack the NHL lineup fulltime or does he still need some AHL seasoning?

He will be battling for a spot with Lagesson, Bear and Persson. Looked good in his audition last year. Wouldn't hurt his development to play some more games as a top dman on the AHL team.

 

[McFlyingV]

I like the Desharnais signing. Sounded like he was playing a top pairing shutdown role in Providence, and with that size you never know if you might get a useful 6/7D out of him someday. Good way to keep him in the mix without using up a contract spot.

 

[PB37]

thanks guys!

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Peluso added on an AHL deal too.

Legit nuclear deterrent. I wonder if we might call him up at some point if we need some beef on the 4th line?

 

[guymez]

Hey guys!

Do you feel that Caleb Jones is ready to crack the NHL lineup fulltime or does he still need some AHL seasoning?

I think Jones is absolutely ready to crack the Oilers. He was excellent in a bottom pairing role with the Oilers last season. Handled that assignment very comfortably. His game only started to drop off when the coaching staff elevated him to a top 4 role and sometimes a top pairing role. That was clearly too much for him and his game dropped off.
It was a mistake that quite honestly I was suprised to see the coaches make.
It didnt make sense to me because it only served to impede the players development.

For next season I dont think there is much of anything for Jones to learn in the AHL.
He is ready for an NHL job and I think that he will take Sekeras spot in the lineup as a #5 D.

 

[KenLinsemanFanClub]

Legit nuclear deterrent. I wonder if we might call him up at some point if we need some beef on the 4th line?

He would have to be signed to an NHL contract to do that and I think Holland is being prudent with those.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

He would have to be signed to an NHL contract to do that and I think Holland is being prudent with those.

No doubt, I was just wondering if we might clear out some NHL contracts and then potentially sign him to one if we need some beef.

 

[smokersarejokers]

No doubt, I was just wondering if we might clear out some NHL contracts and then potentially sign him to one if we need some beef.

I feel like Kassian, Khaira, Nurse and Lucic are enough "beef".

Could just dress Manning and make him earn his pay cheque if you want to beat someone up haha.

Peluso would just slow the team down even more.

 

[oilerbear]

Graduating Lagesson and Jones together as a pairing could really help their games at the NHL level. I haven't seen enough of Lagesson to get a feel as to whether he's ready or not, but I like Jones' game and they are good as a pairing.

Holland has a reputation of letting players cook in AHL.
So I looked at his 21 year history.
Players with 32+ gm debut seasons.

18-19 Rasmussen (19), Larkin (22)
17-18 Larkin (21), Mantha (22), bertuzzi (22)
16-17 Larkin (20), Mantha (21)
15-16 Larkin (19), Athanasiou (21), Jurco (22)
——————————————————- Blashill becomes coach
14-15 Jurco (21), Sheahan (22),
13-14 Jurco (20), Sheahan (21)
12-13 None
11-12 None
10-11 None
9-10 Helm (22), Abdelkader (22)
8-9 None
7-8 None
6-7 Hudler (22), Filpulla (22)
5-6 None
——————————————- Babcock becomes coach
3-4 Zetterberg (22)
2-3 Zetterberg (21), Avery (22)
——————————————- Lewis becomes coach
1-2 Avery (21)
0-1 Devereaux (22)
99-00 butsayev (20)
98-99 Dandenault (22)
97-98 Dandenault (21)
————————————————- Holland made GM July 1997
96-97 Dandenault (20), Lapointe (22)
95-96 Dandenault (19), Lapointe (21)
94-95 Lapointe (20), Primeau (22), Kozlov (22), MaCarty (22)
93-94 Lapointe (19), Primeau (21), Kozlov (21), McCarty (21), Sillinger (22), Draper (22), Johnson (22)
——————————————- Scotty B. Becomes coach
4 - U21 debuts
Rasmussen (19), Larkin (19), Jurco (20), Butsayev (20)
5 - 21 yr debuts
Mantha, Anathasiou, Sheahan, Zetterberg, Avery
6 - 22 yr debuts
Bertuzzi, Helm Abdelkader, Hudler Fillpula, Devereaux
6 - no u23 debuts
6 of the 15 in were 21 and younger from 13-14 to 18-19 when lack of veteran depth showed.

Clearly Holland prefer age 23 debuts but 22 is possible 6 out of 21 years.

He said he wanted double digit G depth.
Forwards who have had a 10 evg season in last 2 years.
Mcdavid 31 18-19
Draisaitl 31 18-19
Neal 20 17-18
RNH 19 18-19
Kassian 14 18-19
Chiasson 13 18-19
Archibald 12 18-19; 12th best PK fwd in league
Granlund 10 18-19
Khaira 10 17-18; top 40 PK forward in league
Puljujarvi 10 17-18
That is 10 forwards with 10+ evg

Jurco showed 10 evg pace in his ELC contract in Det
Then showed a 10 evg pace in CHI 17-18
No wonder Holland debuted him at (20) and brought him to the oilers.
Nygard s NHLE suggests potential 20G man
12 potential double digit forwards.

Haas: scouting says good top end speed, puck carrying , def line driver.
Brodziak DZ C specialist.
That is 14 veteran forwards with roles Holland wants on his team.

Tippett has stated he wants to give PP1 as much PPTOI as possible.
Other teams do 3:30 to 4:00 for their best.

Do not expect players other than
Draisaitl #6 fwd 16 PPG
Mcdavid #37 9 ppg
RNH #41 8 ppg
Chaisson #41 8 ppg
Neal 7 ppg 2 of last 3 seasons
To get large PPTOI.

As for prospects:
Holland says dmen are often ready by age 23-24
He wants Dmen who understand def is primary role
But wants the dmen to understand how to attack as 4th & 5 th uncovered HD sh option.

He clearly wants his forward to have proven strong NHLE in the AHL.

Maroody 23 in dec.
In sept
Benson 2 years from 23
Yamamotto 2 years from 23
Mcleod 3 years from 23
Lavoie 4 years from 23.

Lagesson (23) had the best even off season of our dmen
8 evg 24 evp.
Of his 8 even goals I have seen video for 6 of them.
1 was a wrister from the point
5 were uncovered HD sh from circle as a 4 th option.

Jones (22)
Bear (22)
Had inferior even off production and 2-1 ga structure seasons to Lagesson.

Holland stated his “off season was to set us up moving forward without sacrificing this season.”

All the u23 forward & Dmen cooking for another year seems to be his goal.

We have complained about rushing our prospects.

Last year 10 evg rank by position
10 evg #95 center Galchenyuk, kotkianemi, Boyle, Henrique, Coyle,
10evg #61 RW (31-62 2nd line) Granlund, Taffoli, Armia, Kase
10 evg #60 LW Hall, Erickson, Sherry, Calvert, Clifford, Paajarvi

How many of those AHL prospects have shown a 10 evg potential.
Based on Even NHLE none.

Thank you Ken Holland.
After years of 4-7 U23 players per season.
The only one might be Connor Mcdavid (22) in 19-20.
Last time we had just one was Hemsky (22) in 05-06.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Holland has a reputation of letting players cook in AHL.
So I looked at his 21 year history.
Players with 32+ gm debut seasons.

18-19 Rasmussen (19), Larkin (22)
17-18 Larkin (21), Mantha (22), bertuzzi (22)
16-17 Larkin (20), Mantha (21)
15-16 Larkin (19), Athanasiou (21), Jurco (22)
——————————————————- Blashill becomes coach
14-15 Jurco (21), Sheahan (22),
13-14 Jurco (20), Sheahan (21)
12-13 None
11-12 None
10-11 None
9-10 Helm (22), Abdelkader (22)
8-9 None
7-8 None
6-7 Hudler (22), Filpulla (22)
5-6 None
——————————————- Babcock becomes coach
3-4 Zetterberg (22)
2-3 Zetterberg (21), Avery (22)
——————————————- Lewis becomes coach
1-2 Avery (21)
0-1 Devereaux (22)
99-00 butsayev (20)
98-99 Dandenault (22)
97-98 Dandenault (21)
————————————————- Holland made GM July 1997
96-97 Dandenault (20), Lapointe (22)
95-96 Dandenault (19), Lapointe (21)
94-95 Lapointe (20), Primeau (22), Kozlov (22), MaCarty (22)
93-94 Lapointe (19), Primeau (21), Kozlov (21), McCarty (21), Sillinger (22), Draper (22), Johnson (22)
——————————————- Scotty B. Becomes coach
4 - U21 debuts
Rasmussen (19), Larkin (19), Jurco (20), Butsayev (20)
5 - 21 yr debuts
Mantha, Anathasiou, Sheahan, Zetterberg, Avery
6 - 22 yr debuts
Bertuzzi, Helm Abdelkader, Hudler Fillpula, Devereaux
6 - no u23 debuts
6 of the 15 in were 21 and younger from 13-14 to 18-19 when lack of veteran depth showed.

Clearly Holland prefer age 23 debuts but 22 is possible 6 out of 21 years.

He said he wanted double digit G depth.
Forwards who have had a 10 evg season in last 2 years.
Mcdavid 31 18-19
Draisaitl 31 18-19
Neal 20 17-18
RNH 19 18-19
Kassian 14 18-19
Chiasson 13 18-19
Archibald 12 18-19; 12th best PK fwd in league
Granlund 10 18-19
Khaira 10 17-18; top 40 PK forward in league
Puljujarvi 10 17-18
That is 10 forwards with 10+ evg

Jurco showed 10 evg pace in his ELC contract in Det
Then showed a 10 evg pace in CHI 17-18
No wonder Holland debuted him at (20) and brought him to the oilers.
Nygard s NHLE suggests potential 20G man
12 potential double digit forwards.

Haas: scouting says good top end speed, puck carrying , def line driver.
Brodziak DZ C specialist.
That is 14 veteran forwards with roles Holland wants on his team.

Tippett has stated he wants to give PP1 as much PPTOI as possible.
Other teams do 3:30 to 4:00 for their best.

Do not expect players other than
Draisaitl #6 fwd 16 PPG
Mcdavid #37 9 ppg
RNH #41 8 ppg
Chaisson #41 8 ppg
Neal 7 ppg 2 of last 3 seasons
To get large PPTOI.

As for prospects:
Holland says dmen are often ready by age 23-24
He wants Dmen who understand def is primary role
But wants the dmen to understand how to attack as 4th & 5 th uncovered HD sh option.

He clearly wants his forward to have proven strong NHLE in the AHL.

Maroody 23 in dec.
In sept
Benson 2 years from 23
Yamamotto 2 years from 23
Mcleod 3 years from 23
Lavoie 4 years from 23.

Lagesson (23) had the best even off season of our dmen
8 evg 24 evp.
Of his 8 even goals I have seen video for 6 of them.
1 was a wrister from the point
5 were uncovered HD sh from circle as a 4 th option.

Jones (22)
Bear (22)
Had inferior even off production and 2-1 ga structure seasons to Lagesson.

Holland stated his “off season was to set us up moving forward without sacrificing this season.”

All the u23 forward & Dmen cooking for another year seems to be his goal.

We have complained about rushing our prospects.

Last year 10 evg rank by position
10 evg #95 center Galchenyuk, kotkianemi, Boyle, Henrique, Coyle,
10evg #61 RW (31-62 2nd line) Granlund, Taffoli, Armia, Kase
10 evg #60 LW Hall, Erickson, Sherry, Calvert, Clifford, Paajarvi

How many of those AHL prospects have shown a 10 evg potential.
Based on Even NHLE none.

Thank you Ken Holland.
After years of 4-7 U23 players per season.
The only one might be Connor Mcdavid (22) in 19-20.
Last time we had just one was Hemsky (22) in 05-06.

that reputation is a myth, he used to delay prospects from graduating solely based on the fact his teams were stacked, he has proven if a player deserves to be on the team he will be on the team.

 

[CycloneSweep]

that reputation is a myth, he used to delay prospects from graduating solely based on the fact his teams were stacked, he has proven if a player deserves to be on the team he will be on the team.

Fair. But his level of proof is higher than most.

You can't just be the best guy for the job. You have to be the best job for the guy and unquestionably NHL ready

 

[GhostfaceWu]

I feel like Kassian, Khaira, Nurse and Lucic are enough "beef".

Could just dress Manning and make him earn his pay cheque if you want to beat someone up haha.

Peluso would just slow the team down even more.

Probably before the trade.

 

[Aceboogie]

that reputation is a myth, he used to delay prospects from graduating solely based on the fact his teams were stacked, he has proven if a player deserves to be on the team he will be on the team.

This 100%. And he was quoted in the past as saying if he had drafted RNH/Yakupov (IIRC), they would have played in the NHL from day 1.

DRW model of having players develop for a long time in the AHL was because they had no room in the NHL in the 00's. When the NHL team started to get thin and they got some 1st round picks/2nd round picks, they had them in the NHL just as fast as other teams do.

In addition, the DRW model that everyone seems like love about over ripening prospects in the AHL has shown to not produce any better results. They had a number of guys like Jurco/Frk/Sproul/Pulkkinen/Smith/ Nyquvist/Kindl who they left for long periods in the AHL and a lot of people thought they had the next Datsyuk/Helm/Kronwall etc- then these players ended up being either flameouts or marginal NHLers (Nyquvist is a top 6er, but was hyped to be a future stud)

Over ripening in the AHL is not a magical cure all to develop good players

 

[The Batman]

 

[Tobias Kahun]

old boys club!

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I'm very curious as to whom among Jones/Lagesson/Persson/Bouchard/Bear/Samorukov grab spots.

Holland sounds really high on Samorukov, but he really should start in the AHL - so 5 guys competing for 2 spots.

I'll also be curious if we PTO a guy like Phaneuf/Stone/Lovejoy so the rookies have to beat them out.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

I'm very curious as to whom among Jones/Lagesson/Persson/Bouchard/Bear/Samorukov grab spots.

Holland sounds really high on Samorukov, but he really should start in the AHL - so 5 guys competing for 2 spots.

I'll also be curious if we PTO a guy like Phaneuf/Stone/Lovejoy so the rookies have to beat them out.

I think the first 3 on your list are the likeliest to start the season with the big club. Bear seems to start slow in camp, so if he wants to be in the conversation he has to come out of the gate ready to rumble.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I think the first 3 on your list are the likeliest to start the season with the big club. Bear seems to start slow in camp, so if he wants to be in the conversation he has to come out of the gate ready to rumble.

Bear said last year was eye opening for him and is apparently training like a madman. Should be interesting to watch.