Seravalli: Avs looking to add a goalie

[blankall]

Quite frankly Vladar is probably one of the very last goalies I would want for free at this point. $2.2M for 2 more years for an extremely mediocre goalie? Absolutely no thanks.

I'd rather just about anyone else.

How is 2.2 for 2 seasons a bad contract? What NHL calibre goalie do you expect to take less than that? If a goalie is taking less than 2.2 million and only for one season, he's probably a lot less steady than Vladar.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

How is 2.2 for 2 seasons a bad contract? What NHL calibre goalie do you expect to take less than that? If a goalie is taking less than 2.2 million and only for one season, he's probably a lot less steady than Vladar.

Literally any decent backup goalie

How is that even something you'd call into question...

This summer alone we had:

- Reimer $1.5M
- Talbot $1.0M
- Raanta $1.5M
- Nedelkjovic $1.5M
- Stalock $800k

Jaroslav Halak could probably be signed for league minimum right now.

While Vladar is getting $2.25M for a career .899 sv% and coming off an .895 year. All of those guys had similar or better numbers to Vladar last year.


It's a terrible contract for a backup goalie which is literally all Colorado wants.

 

[blankall]

Literally any decent backup goalie

How is that even something you'd call into question...

This summer alone we had:

- Reimer $1.5M
- Talbot $1.0M
- Raanta $1.5M
- Nedelkjovic $1.5M
- Stalock $800k

Jaroslav Halak could probably be signed for league minimum right now.

While Vladar is getting $2.25M for a career .899 sv% and coming off an .895 year. All of those guys had similar or better numbers to Vladar last year.


It's a terrible contract for a backup goalie which is literally all Colorado wants.

If you're goin strictly by looking at stats, you're going to get what you deserve.

 

[Chose]

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

If you're goin strictly by looking at stats, you're going to get what you deserve.

Ah yes, the stats don't support what you believe so they're wrong!

We want a backup goalie that can give us .900 hockey. Literally all of those guys will give us that.

 

[Arwin]

Would like to see Vladar moved. Excited to see Wolf at NHL level.

 

[blankall]

Ah yes, the stats don't support what you believe so they're wrong!

We want a backup goalie that can give us .900 hockey. Literally all of those guys will give us that.

The Flames system last year was trainwreck for Save percentages, and it stopped all the easy shots but let through an extremely high proportion of high danger chances.

You've also listed Reimer (.890), Talbot (.898), and Nedelkjovic (.895) who had less than .900 SV% and Raanta and Stalock, who are 34 and 36 and not available.

Anyways, this is all a moot point as it looks like the Vladar deal is getting done and you're just being an a**.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

The Flames system last year was trainwreck for Save percentages, and it stopped all the easy shots but let through an extremely high proportion of high danger chances.

You've also listed Reimer (.890), Talbot (.898), and Nedelkjovic (.895) who had less than .900 SV% and Raanta and Stalock, who are 34 and 36 and not available.

Anyways, this is all a moot point as it looks like the Vladar deal is getting done and you're just being an a**.

Do you think San Jose's, Ottawa or Detroits system bolstered its goalie save percentages? And if that's your logic, maybe playing on a Colorado team that's a top defensive team in the league will boost these guys well above .900...

We could always just look at GSAA, a stat that is meant to eliminate some of the team system aspect from the equation... It paints an even worse picture for Vladar.


At the end of the day, You asked what NHL caliber goalies are worth less than $2.25M, I provided you with 6 names that are all way cheaper and with similar stats or better.

Its not being an ass, it's just showing you your comment was blatantly wrong.

 

[Evgeny Oliker]

I mean it’s also possible that Calgary will be willing to retain some cap if they move Vladar, right?

 

[Some Other Flame]

Well, if some rando on X, the social media parasite formerly known as twitter, said it, then it must be true

Let's go with Francouz + 3rd for Vladar

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I mean it’s also possible that Calgary will be willing to retain some cap if they move Vladar, right?

It should be the only scenario where the Avs would trade for him. There's absolutely no reason to spend $2.25M on a backup for 2 more years when you can grab an equivalent backup on a 1 year deal for significantly cheaper.


If you get 33% to 50% retention, then it makes a little sense. Although personally having watches Vladar quite a bit last year I just don't think he's very good. Nothing to do with systems, he just tracks the puck pretty terribly IMO.

 

[herashak]

I mean it’s also possible that Calgary will be willing to retain some cap if they move Vladar, right?

Pretty sure the flames have never retained salary before

 

[Ace Rimmer]

Pretty sure the flames have never retained salary before

David Rittich.

That was an expiring contract, they've never retained beyond the final year of a contract.

 

[Lunatik]

I'm not sure about the source, but if true maybe something around Francouz and Vladar? Only 200k difference in salary.

 

[Muffin]

I mean it’s also possible that Calgary will be willing to retain some cap if they move Vladar, right?

It'd be dumb for Calgary to waste a retention spot on Vladar. They might need those to move Lindholm, Backlund or Hanifin at the deadline to get max value for them.

 

[Fig]

Pretty sure the flames have never retained salary before

It happened once. Flames retained on Rittich.

If the trade is Vladar for Francouz and a small +, then maybe I can start to see the reasoning for this. Avs add about $200K AAV vs Francouz's contract and has a good backup option for two seasons.

Francouz's injury and contract status are actually beneficial for the Flames in figuring out how to ease Wolf into the NHL.

 

[Lunatik]

It happened once. Flames retained on Rittich.

If the trade is Vladar for Francouz and a small +, then maybe I can start to see the reasoning for this. Avs add about $200K AAV vs Francouz's contract and has a good backup option for two seasons.

Francouz's injury and contract status are actually beneficial for the Flames in figuring out how to ease Wolf into the NHL.

Looks like we're on the same page there Figgy

 

[Fig]

Looks like we're on the same page there Figgy

It would also address the $212K overage concern you were saying the Flames might have at the start of the season.

This trade still might not go through, but at least it's starting to get apparent why there is so much smoke around the idea.

 

[PhysicalGraffiti]

I'm seeing a report the Halak deal is done and will be announced:

"Avs insider Adrian Dater also reported that the Avs had been eyeing Halak as an option, while Czech based reporter Tomas Prokop confirmed the news. Expect an official announcement from the Avs on Halak's signing in the next few days."

From HockeyFeed.

 

[bossram]

How is 2.2 for 2 seasons a bad contract? What NHL calibre goalie do you expect to take less than that? If a goalie is taking less than 2.2 million and only for one season, he's probably a lot less steady than Vladar.

There will be any number of backup goalies available on waivers for under the cap-buriable amount.

There is no reason to acquire a bad goalie making $2.2M.

 

[Bond]

The Avs overpaid for Berra. Do it again!

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

There will be any number of backup goalies available on waivers for under the cap-buriable amount.

There is no reason to acquire a bad goalie making $2.2M.

Exactly.


I much prefer the report about Halak signing then I do the Vladar trade

 

[Fig]

Exactly.


I much prefer the report about Halak signing then I do the Vladar trade

Both seem to be from questionable sources. There's a possibility that the Avs go with someone completely different.

 

[Lunatik]

Both seem to be from questionable sources. There's a possibility that the Avs go with someone completely different.

If Dater is actually teh source he's suspect, but way more reliable than the nobody talking about the trade.

 

[Fig]

If Dater is actually teh source he's suspect, but way more reliable than the nobody talking about the trade.

What that poster quoted says that Dater claims the Avs are looking into Halak. It doesn't specifically say that Dater confirmed that the Avs will sign Halak. I don't have an issue with that part of the quote.

It's the "Expect an official announcement from the Avs on Halak's signing in the next few days." is a separate sentence and part of the typical Hockey Feed click bait questionable facet.