Prospect Info: Avs draft D Mikhail Gulyayev (2023 #31 overall)

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My top concern is Russian defenseman development… they don’t develop for the riskier NA style of play. I’ve stated this once he was drafted… beating him into a conservative defensive guy who only flashes occasionally would be huge mistake longer term.
 

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Mikhail Gulyayev has progressed from fringe 7th Dman to middle pair getting a consistent 17-18 minutes a game. He’s played every game this season for the top team in his division while seeing his ice time and role consistently increase. He’s a +8 and has become a core player. He’s playing more than either the other two KHL defenders also drafted in the 2023 1st round. Guys picked 6th and 12th overall.

very good defensively. Not as strong offensively but hella good in transition. His coach trusts him. Plays him in all situations.

he’s getting developed big time by his KHL team. Glad he resigned on for two more years after this season.

both he and Cal Ritchie look like home run picks a few months into their first post draft seasons.

Gulyayev Is tracking to be top pair within the next two seasons… in a difficult men’s pro league.
 

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It feels like we pick and choose when to be critical of defenseman playing a "high risk" style.

The same people who criticized Makar and Byram for playing a high risk style, never do so with Girard who's high risk style leads to a fair amount of turnovers, or Tyson Barrie.

Now we're worried about Gulyayev not playing a risky NA style and turning into a keep it simple defensive guy instead, which is what's being pushed to turn Byram into, despite producing well.

These guys are who they are. If they're producing goals and points, you let them do their thing. If the production isn't there, which it hasn't been so far with Gulyayev, then they need to mitigate the risk.

But you don't pick up their toolbox and empty out all their tools on the ground to turn them into something they're not. If this applies to Gulyayev, it should apply to other defenseman as well, even if you don't like them.

Gulyayev's style will work itself out. If he comes over, the Avs will give him a long leash to show what he's got. He's not gonna lose any natural ability or offensive instincts he has, just like Devon Toews didn't with the defensive minded Isles. He'll be encouraged to create more in the O zone, and if he has that ability, it'll come out, just like it does for Josh Manson on occasion.
 

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I just want him to be an NHL defender, anything after that is gravy. If he turns out not being an elite offensive defenseman, but a Girard with a shot or a mini Heiskanen I think we all take that in a heartbeat.
 
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I don't see the reason for concern, if we're acknowledging he's played well and risen up the depth chart. Sounds like he's developing fine. His stock is higher than when he was drafted.

And would we really be less concerned if the Avs/Eagles were developing him? As an 18 year old by himself in a country that's very different culturally?
 

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It feels like we pick and choose when to be critical of defenseman playing a "high risk" style.

The same people who criticized Makar and Byram for playing a high risk style, never do so with Girard who's high risk style leads to a fair amount of turnovers, or Tyson Barrie.

Now we're worried about Gulyayev not playing a risky NA style and turning into a keep it simple defensive guy instead, which is what's being pushed to turn Byram into, despite producing well.

These guys are who they are. If they're producing goals and points, you let them do their thing. If the production isn't there, which it hasn't been so far with Gulyayev, then they need to mitigate the risk.

But you don't pick up their toolbox and empty out all their tools on the ground to turn them into something they're not. If this applies to Gulyayev, it should apply to other defenseman as well, even if you don't like them.

Gulyayev's style will work itself out. If he comes over, the Avs will give him a long leash to show what he's got. He's not gonna lose any natural ability or offensive instincts he has, just like Devon Toews didn't with the defensive minded Isles. He'll be encouraged to create more in the O zone, and if he has that ability, it'll come out, just like it does for Josh Manson on occasion.
Byram's value on this team isn't as an offensive d man no matter how much he wants it
 

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Byram's value on this team isn't as an offensive d man no matter how much he wants it

Not the thread for it, but it doesn't have anything to do with what he wants. That feels like it's based on the false narrative that he's arrogant. It's about what he is and what he's shown.

His value is a two way defenseman, that plays a big offensive role. More so than Girard, Malinksi, Gulyayev, and even Toews if he plays to his potential.

He scored 26 goals in 67 games in his draft year in junior. Then 8 goals in 22 playoff games. Came back and scored 14 in 50 games while focusing on his defensive game.

Then had 5 goals in 30 games as a 20 year old with the Avs and 10 in 42 as a 21 year old the next year, while getting no PP time.

And he's still tied for the team lead among D men with six 5v5 goals in 39 games, despite missing games this year, and still getting very little PP time in a small role on the halfwall.
 

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Not the thread for it, but it doesn't have anything to do with what he wants. That feels like it's based on the false narrative that he's arrogant. It's about what he is and what he's shown.

His value is a two way defenseman, that plays a big offensive role. More so than Girard, Malinksi, Gulyayev, and even Toews if he plays to his potential.

He scored 26 goals in 67 games in his draft year in junior. Then 8 goals in 22 playoff games. Came back and scored 14 in 50 games while focusing on his defensive game.

Then had 5 goals in 30 games as a 20 year old with the Avs and 10 in 42 as a 21 year old the next year, while getting no PP time.

And he's still tied for the team lead among D men with six 5v5 goals in 39 games, despite missing games this year, and still getting very little PP time in a small role on the halfwall.
Byram is really good. Bednar plays him a ton many nights.
 

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How has he looked in the 2nd round?

Hell how has he looked all year? My understanding is that he’s played very well and earned top 4 minutes as an 18/19 year old, which for Russia doesn’t happen. But how has he truly looked? Are they capping his offensive ceiling by how he is being played and how has he developed defensively?
 

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My top concern is Russian defenseman development… they don’t develop for the riskier NA style of play. I’ve stated this once he was drafted… beating him into a conservative defensive guy who only flashes occasionally would be huge mistake longer term.

Just out of curiosity, how does this differ from what the Avs were doing with Byram? My limited understanding is that overall the KHL does not promote risky/offensive defenseman and that is something promoted more in North America hockey. So in theory by playing in NA he would have the freedom to play a more offensively aggressive and risky game style. However the Avs clearly were trying to beat the riverboat gambler out of Bo’s game.

Do you think Gulyayev doesn’t have the ability to play a Bo style game with more offense? Are the two comparable at all in your eyes in terms of offensive skill set or does Guly have superior offensive tools?
 

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He’s pretty much only used at even strength but plays a lot at even strength. It’s interesting deployment. He’s played really well to earn that ice time but it feels like he’s holding back offensively or he’s being held back. Plays it very safe.
Yup... he's getting the Russian, beat the offense out of them treatment. The style of play is just not conducive to his skill set IMO.

Top 4 minutes is a bit of a misnomer. He gets solid usage... but he's really a 4/5 and deployed tactically. Not really a true top 4 guy yet.
 
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He’s pretty much only used at even strength but plays a lot at even strength. It’s interesting deployment. He’s played really well to earn that ice time but it feels like he’s holding back offensively or he’s being held back. Plays it very safe.

Does his ability to play a solid defensive game speak to the chance he might be able to play responsible or risky when required in the NHL?
 

henchman21

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Just out of curiosity, how does this differ from what the Avs were doing with Byram? My limited understanding is that overall the KHL does not promote risky/offensive defenseman and that is something promoted more in North America hockey. So in theory by playing in NA he would have the freedom to play a more offensively aggressive and risky game style. However the Avs clearly were trying to beat the riverboat gambler out of Bo’s game.

Do you think Gulyayev doesn’t have the ability to play a Bo style game with more offense? Are the two comparable at all in your eyes in terms of offensive skill set or does Guly have superior offensive tools?
I wouldn't say the Avs tried to take that out of Bo's game... they we simply trying to stop him from bleeding chances and turning the game into trading chances. Many times I think they actually encourage him to jump into the play wildly... they really appreciate that part of any defensemen's game. Just see how they have let Walker loose.

Does his ability to play a solid defensive game speak to the chance he might be able to play responsible or risky when required in the NHL?
I don't find his defense to be at a plus in his game at the moment. He's a transitional defender who will make his living in the NHL as a puck retriever who flips the ice quickly. A worse defensively, but more dynamic Girard.
 

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