ATD 2015 - Draft Thread III

[jarek]

You want to know why they matter (to a degree)? Because neanderthal writers and people who half ass know the game of hockey use blanket numbers like point totals and +/- to support their ballots.

Advanced metrics have revolutionized baseball for example. They are gaining steam in hockey and for good reason. You can isolate so many facets of the game with them. GM's and brilliant hockey minds are absolutely taking them to heart. That is evident by certain players taking defensive zone faceoffs relative to opponent. You can use it team to team, player to player. That is just one of many examples.

Is it the end all and be all? No. But they do have importance. Otherwise we're looking at the same old boring numbers that brainwash people into thinking players are better/worse than they actually are.

That didn't really answer my question, though. How can they be used to isolate a single player from his linemates when it comes to possession stats?

 

[ImporterExporter]

That didn't really answer my question, though. How can they be used to isolate a single player from his linemates when it comes to possession stats?

I honestly don't know the nature of the algorithm's used to come up with many of these numbers.

 

[Evil Sather]

the WANGS will take D Robert Svehla

 

[BenchBrawl]

He's not in my top 3. Doughty, Suter and Weber are. But yeah, he could.

He's better than in 2013 isn't he? And not by a small margin, either.

Well for Doughty and Weber I guess I'm not going to debate it to death, they're all (including Subban) playing elite.I don't know why you would take Weber ahead of Subban though, but neither would I know why you would take Subban ahead of Weber if you did.Doughty is a different beast.

But Suter?! Nah.Not better than Subban currently or this year.

Yes, Subban is better than he was in 2013, but that doesn't mean he's not getting underrated for his 2013 year, especially around here.I remember very clearly Subban being impactful in 2013, a true gamebreaker in clutch moments time and time again.

I think his play reached a new level in last year's playoffs.Subban's performances against a strong and favorite Boston team in the 2nd round last year cannot be understated.At this point I'm extremely confidant with Subban as a #1 D for a playoff run given his ability to excel under pressure.

I'm not saying he should have won the Norris absolutely in 2013, but the whole habit of saying he didn't deserve it at all or that he was overrated leaves me meh, I don't think that's true.

 

[Dr Pepper]

Las Vegas selects Brenden Morrow, LW.

 

[markrander87]

The Victoria Salsa are very pleased to select D Jamie Macoun

I actually have a wonderful account in these papers of Westwick and Walsh killing off what was essentially a 6 on 2. Westwick and Walsh pretty much had the puck the whole time as far as I can tell.. and this was against Russell freaking Bowie's team!

For nearly 4 minutes they were down 4 men. Bowie's group only scored a single goal the whole time, and the only reason it was even possible because nearing the end of the kill, Westwick and Walsh went on an offensive rush that barely didn't score. Bowie's group went the other way and scored on a 6 on 0.

I believe the reason they went on the rush was because the advantage was nearly over, and the game was more or less out of reach already. By all accounts, this team was very responsible defensively in general, so my judgment is that it was a calculated risk by Walsh and Westwick.

Would you mind posting??

I think it's pretty safe to say Westwick can handle the Centre duties quite well on a 2nd unit PK.

 

[King Forsberg]

the WANGS will take D Robert Svehla

Svehla is a guy I always enjoyed watching during his day. He's a good blend of two way play and physicality. It's a shame his career was over in his early thirties.

 

[MadArcand]

Orléans selects Gregg Sheppard, C/LW.

 

[MadArcand]

Ottawa selects Mathieu Schneider, D

 

[BenchBrawl]

Viktor Kuzkin, D

 

[BraveCanadian]

Svehla is a guy I always enjoyed watching during his day. He's a good blend of two way play and physicality. It's a shame his career was over in his early thirties.

I liked him too. Just a good all around player.

 

[Nalyd Psycho]

Boston Bandits select:
Bruce MacGregor, RW
Paddy Moran, G

 

[Dwight]

Dennis Hull, LW

 

[EagleBelfour]

Boston Bandits select:
Paddy Moran, G

My knowledge of early era goaltenders perhaps need to be updated, but why is Paddy Moran is being over most of his contemporaries? I thought he was more of a bargain basement backup goaltender in the ATD (someone I picked in the past, but in the 24th-25th round). I may imagine it's hard to answer this question with so many undrafted goaltenders still to be picked.

 

[Johnny Engine]

Viktor Tikhonov, coach.

 

[BraveCanadian]

nik jr. list picks RW, John MacLean

 

[Nalyd Psycho]

My knowledge of early era goaltenders perhaps need to be updated, but why is Paddy Moran is being over most of his contemporaries? I thought he was more of a bargain basement backup goaltender in the ATD (someone I picked in the past, but in the 24th-25th round). I may imagine it's hard to answer this question with so many undrafted goaltenders still to be picked.

There are multiple sources that say he was the best pre nha and that in his two cup wins he was stellar. Patrick rated him above Vezina, Benedict and Lehman.

 

[King Forsberg]

Pick 531

Well about time I add a coach to run things for my team. I'll take a guy that's had success everywhere he's gone.

Peter Laviolette, Coach​

 

[BraveCanadian]

Parise is taken.

Damn how did I miss that?

Ok, plan B. A goalscorer for my assist biased lower line centers.

RW, Milan Hejduk

 

[tony d]

Time now to review Day 43 of the 2015 ATD, a day where we saw 16 picks:

- Pat Verbeek was picked: Good pick and brings even more toughness to what's going to be a tough Las Vegas team.

- Jerry Korab was picked: Was strongly considering him for my next pick had he slipped.

- Trevor Linden was picked: Always been a bit meh on Linden in the ATD but he's a good team player and should do good as a 4th liner.

- Steve Duschene was picked: A defenseman I've always liked, good option for a bottom pairing offensive defenseman.

- Camille Henry was picked: Good pick, much like duschene he'll do well on the powerplay.

Well those are my thoughts on Day 43, looking forward to day 44. I'm ready to make my pick once jarek and dreakmur make theirs.

 

[jarek]

This guy is IMO the best defensive defenseman left.

Frantisek Tikal, D

Two WC Best D over Ragulin and Ivanov really impressed me. Stylistically, he also works with Ozo as Tikal's partner was more or less the same kind of player as Ozolinsh.

 

[tony d]

Well Tikal was my 1st choice for this pick but this guy was one of my other choices. With Pick 534 of the 2015 ATD the Nordiques finish our top 6 on defense by selecting defenseman Bob Armstrong.

Armstrong will fill out our top 6 on defense and also play on our penalty kill. Next has been pmed.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Swamp Devils pick a guy nicknamed "The Shadow,"

Rejean Houle, F

Houle's name was featured prominently whenever newspapers talked about the top role players of the dominant 1970s Canadiens. He was used in all three forward positions, playing as a shadow on a checking line or glue-guy type on a scoring line, depending on team needs. His even strength scoring was pretty strong too for this type of player.

Previous bio:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=61698387&postcount=170

 

[Rob Scuderi]

I would be interested in seeing your case for Alexandrov as Starshinov's equal as a scorer.

Alexandrov was the better playmaker, but we have seasons of his and Starshinov's career without any assists.

We have six seasons with assists that Alexandrov played in. We have eight seasons with assists that Starshinov played in (cut off the last two to make it the same 6 seasons for each and Starshinov's APG rate doesn't change). Alexandrov recorded 15 more assists in those six seasons than Starshinov did in his eight seasons of recorded assists.

Alexandrov

Season|Games|G|A|P|PIMS
1962|24|21|11|32|10
1963|37|53|9|62|24
1965|33|25|9|34|6
1966|32|31|6|37|25
1967|40|26|12|38|40
1968|37|23|21|44|20
AST/G|=.33

Starshinov

Season|Games|G|A|P|PIMS
1962|32|29|4|33|50
1963|28|23|8|31|60
1965|36|25|3|28|20
1966|31|23|8|31|31
1967|44|47|9|56|22
1968|44|46|9|55|34
1971|39|22|5|27|?
1972|25|15|7|22|16
AST/G|=.19

1961 and 1964 are the two seasons without assists, and we're also missing the games played. If we assume each played the whole season and maintained these APG averages it would look like:

Alexandrov

Season|Games|G|A|P
1961|31|19|10|29
1964|36|40|12|52

Starshinov

Season|Games|G|A|P
1961|31|16|6|22
1964|36|34|7|41

Totals for their 8 years overlapping (with the two fudged seasons) would be:

Alexandrov

Seasons|Games|G|A|P
1961-68|270|238|90|328

Starshinov

Seasons|Games|G|A|P
1961-1968|282|243|54|297

Alexandrov scored 7 less goals in this period (with fewer GP), but that was Starshinov's bread and butter. When you look at a fudge of what the difference in assists would have been during the two missing years of this period it's not hard to argue Alexandrov was the better Soviet league scorer during their 8 year overlapping primes.

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

The Chicago Shamrocks select 2x Cup Winner + 1x Time Cup Finalist: Darryl Sutter, Coach


Here's a great bio by seventieslord

The Chicago Shamrocks select 2x Cup Winner + 1x Time Cup Finalist: Darryl Sutter, Coach


Here's a great bio by seventieslord

Forgot to mention, please take a look at the study at the end of the bio showing Darryl Sutter's positive effect on goaltenders.