Assuming Mack & Kuch are top 2 hart in some order - who will be #3? McDavid or Matthews? Or someone else?

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

If the pens make it i wouldnt be surprised to see Sid in 5th

 

[Tralfamadore]

Will Oilers fans survive if McD doesn't even get a nomination?

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Panarin AINEC.

McDoofus is just farming assists thanks to nepotism from Hyman.

 

[wetcoast]

Still too up in the air, but if McDavid misses the rest of the year and Matthews finishes strong, I think it might be Matthews over McDavid.

I took McDavid but didn't realize that he might be out

If the Norris didn't exist Hughes would have a strong case.

 

[Voight]

Matthews. Mcdavid has likely fallen out of the top 3 now. 70 goals is 70 goals. Mcdavids calling card was hitting 100 assists. Now that kuch will as well and has also opened a 11 point lead in the 140s. Mcdavids season doesnt look all that "special anymore" 70 goals is the talk of the town

Remember when you said McDavid wouldn't score 100 points, never mind 120?

Good times.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Remember when you said McDavid wouldn't score 100 points, never mind 120?

Good times.

Remember when it was impossible for mcdavid to lose a ross. N he was on mario level? Good times

 

[Video Nasty]

Remember when it was impossible for mcdavid to lose a ross. N he was on mario level? Good times

We can quote you. Are you able to do the same on your two points?

 

[Regal]

Bit of a fizzle finish for MacKinnon. Still wouldn’t be shocked if McDavid came back with two games left and passed him in the scoring race. Would make the Hart top 4 order really up in the air

 

[filinski77]

If the pens make it i wouldnt be surprised to see Sid in 5th

Would likely be one of the worst (and most biased top-5 Hart finishes of all time if so. Guys 12th in goals and 15th in points, and isn’t even remotely close to top-5 in points or goals.

Would be a very Canadian media driven bias if so.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

We can quote you. Are you able to do the same on your two points?

Yes but im not going too.

Would likely be one of the worst (and most biased top-5 Hart finishes of all time if so. Guys 12th in goals and 15th in points, and isn’t even remotely close to top-5 in points or goals.

Would be a very Canadian media driven bias if so.

Hey im not a voter. Just what I have been reading.

 

[Regal]

Would likely be one of the worst (and most biased top-5 Hart finishes of all time if so. Guys 12th in goals and 15th in points, and isn’t even remotely close to top-5 in points or goals.

Would be a very Canadian media driven bias if so.

Sid’s been probably better than his totals this year, but yea, with so many good candidates, 5th is a real stretch. After Kucherov and the 3 M’s, you still have Panarin, Pastrnak, Hughes, Hellebuyck. Could maybe see him after that.

 

[crowfish]

I mean they used Matthews scoring 60 as a reason to steal an MVP from Connor

 

[Voight]

Remember when it was impossible for mcdavid to lose a ross. N he was on mario level? Good times

Fairly certain nobody on this website has said that....

Tho You could argue he was on Lemieux's level in the 2023 playoffs. Had a better PPG than Lemieux did in 1991.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Fairly certain nobody on this website has said that....

Tho You could argue he was on Lemieux's level in the 2023 playoffs. Had a better PPG than Lemieux did in 1991.

Those would be very bad arguments. But you are entitled to your opinion.

 

[bobholly39]

Bit of a fizzle finish for MacKinnon. Still wouldn’t be shocked if McDavid came back with two games left and passed him in the scoring race. Would make the Hart top 4 order really up in the air

Seems unlikely. He's 8 points back, but it's really 9 since MacKinnon has the tie-breaker in goals.
And even if McDavid plays all 3 games left, that's still only 2 games in-hand, as McKinnon has 1 game too. Against Oilers.

I'm pretty certain Kucherov and MacKinnon will finish top 2 in hart. I think it's Kucherov's to lose at this point, especially if he can add a few more points in his final 2 games to widen the gap even more.

 

[Despote]

Sid’s been probably better than his totals this year,

Maybe offensively, but the guy has not played defence.

 

[ijuka]

Does the order after the first place really matter?

 

[Regal]

Seems unlikely. He's 8 points back, but it's really 9 since MacKinnon has the tie-breaker in goals.
And even if McDavid plays all 3 games left, that's still only 2 games in-hand, as McKinnon has 1 game too. Against Oilers.

I'm pretty certain Kucherov and MacKinnon will finish top 2 in hart. I think it's Kucherov's to lose at this point, especially if he can add a few more points in his final 2 games to widen the gap even more.

I meant more in a “this race has been wild and McDavid is incredible way” than a genuine way

 

[daver]

Would likely be one of the worst (and most biased top-5 Hart finishes of all time if so. Guys 12th in goals and 15th in points, and isn’t even remotely close to top-5 in points or goals.

Would be a very Canadian media driven bias if so.

Must be nice to haul this out when you don't like how the media votes.

 

[Regal]

Maybe offensively, but the guy has not played defence.

It hasn’t been good but since so much of his scoring is at ES, he’s out scoring that a lot and I think his numbers are partly because of the team needing the offense. I wouldn’t call him a top 10 player this year but I can see him 9 or 10 in Hart before giving votes to the second best players on teams (Miller, Makar), or teams where the MVP isn’t as clear (Florida, Nashville).

 

[NeverForget06]

Only thing Leafs and Oilers fans should be focused on is winning... like what the two guys leading the hart trophy race have already done !

 

[filinski77]

Must be nice to haul this out when you don't like how the media votes.

How is it wrong? You love to just disagree with shit without any substance at all. One poster mentioned that he thinks Crosby could get some high-placement votings to finish top-5. I illustrated how he (rightfully so) should be nowhere near the top-5 in any Hart ballot. If he does, it's 100% just name recognition for a (rightfully so) beloved player. Not because he deserves it.

 

[daver]

How is it wrong? You love to just disagree with shit without any substance at all. One poster mentioned that he thinks Crosby could get some high-placement votings to finish top-5. I illustrated how he (rightfully so) should be nowhere near the top-5 in any Hart ballot. If he does, it's 100% just name recognition for a (rightfully so) beloved player. Not because he deserves it.

There is precedent for him getting Hart nods above what his point totals would normally not dictate.

He was 5th in points in 18/19 and finished 2nd.

He was 10th in points in 20/21 and finished 4th.

This year he has more goals and has notably stepped up in the last few weeks after the Pens, and him, were completely written off after Guentzel was traded.

 

[logan5]

Not even sure the Oilers make the play offs without McDavid. They simply can't score much without him in the line up. McDavid is up there.

 

[authentic]

Not even sure the Oilers make the play offs without McDavid. They simply can't score much without him in the line up. McDavid is up there.

I think his team would take the biggest hit without him for the full season of all the candidates.