Speculation: Asset value

[ACC1224]

How would we ranked the Leafs assets for potential trades?

I’ll add mine in a bit, after some thought.

I saw someone mention Robertson is more valuable than Timmins (which I disagree with) but it got me wondering what the top 10 might look like.

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[hamzarocks]

1. Matthews
2. Marner
3. Rielly/Nylander
4. Nylander/Rielly
5. Knies
6. Samsonov
7. Bertuzzi
8 Domi
9 Klinberg
10. Woll

My top 10 assets on the team

7 -9 are able to get a ~1st or 2nd+ at the deadline if the season fell apart

 

[Magic Man]

1. Matthews
2. Marner
3. Nylander
4. Rielly
5. Tavares
6. Knies
7. 2024 1st round pick
8. Liljegren
9. McCabe
10. Bertuzzi

Tier 1 - Matthews, Marner
Tier 2 - Nylander, Rielly, Tavares
Tier 3 - Knies, 2024 1st, Liljegren, McCabe, Bertuzzi, Samsonov, Brodie, Klingberg, Domi, Prospects 2-5, Future 1sts
Tier 4 - Kampf, Woll, Jarnkrok, Holmberg, Robertson, Timmins, Prospects 9-15, Future 2nd-3rd round picks
Tier 5 - Reaves, Giordano, Lafferty, McMann, Jones, Gambrell, Prospects 15-25, Future 4th-7th round picks

 

[ACC1224]

Matthews Marner Tavares Rielly shouldn’t be listed IMO.

NMC diminishes their value significantly

1. Nylander
2. Lilijgren
3. Knies

 

[Ianturnedbull]

1. Nylander
2. Bertuzzi
3. Brodie
4. Domi
5. Knies
6. Samsonov
7.Woll
8. Kampf
9. McCabe
10. Liljegren

I hope McCabe proves me wrong. He has a lot to show when it comes to the assets given up for him. For now it's a massive overpayment by Dubas.

 

[Strangle]

How would we ranked the Leafs assets for potential trades?

I’ll add mine in a bit, after some thought.

I saw someone mention Robertson is more valuable than Timmins (which I disagree with) but it got me wondering what the top 10 might look like.

Amirov’s health issues really impact us here, unfortunately.

With so few 1st rnd picks, it hits our assets disproportionately for Amirov to not be able to contribute

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Amirov’s health issues really impact us here, unfortunately.

With so few 1st rnd picks, it hits our assets disproportionately for Amirov to not be able to contribute

Agreed.

I would like to rank Robertson and Timmins higher. The problem is their injuries and lack of NHL games make you question their value.

Don't try to put any of them in a trade proposal. Heed my warning.

 

[Notsince67]

1. Nylander
2. Bertuzzi
3. Brodie
4. Domi
5. Knies
6. Samsonov
7.Woll
8. Kampf
9. McCabe
10. Liljegren

I hope McCabe proves me wrong. He has a lot to show when it comes to the assets given up for him. For now it's a massive overpayment by Dubas.

It isnt bad but Knies might be really low. He is a protected asset to anyone who would acquire him and he has some significant upside. I put him as #1 or 2. He might surpass Willy due to the 1 year term left. Any extension would likely come at a premium and reduce the haul

 

[Ianturnedbull]

It isnt bad but Knies might be really low. He is a protected asset to anyone who would acquire him and he has some significant upside. I put him as #1 or 2. He might surpass Willy due to the 1 year term left. Any extension would likely come at a premium and reduce the haul

If Knies plays that well in his Leaf career then sign me up. I hope you're right.

 

[Notsince67]

If Knies plays that well in his Leaf career then sign me up. I hope you're right.

It isnt about who is better. It is a trade on contract value. Knies is cost controled for years. Willy for only 1

 

[ACC1224]

It isnt about who is better. It is a trade on contract value. Knies is cost controled for years. Willy for only 1

Correct that’s why Matthews and Marner have very little value. IF they would waive it would be a tiny amount of markets that they would agree to go and could afford them.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Matthews Marner Tavares Rielly shouldn’t be listed IMO.

NMC diminishes their value significantly

1. Nylander
2. Lilijgren
3. Knies

Not in Matthews case it doesn't

 

[notbias]

Correct that’s why Matthews and Marner have very little value. IF they would waive it would be a tiny amount of markets that they would agree to go and could afford them.

So some of the least valuable assets in the NHL are Matthews, Marner, McDavid, Kucherov, Pastrnak, MacKinnon, Crosby, Malkin, etc...

Does a NMC really lower their value that much?

 

[The Iceman]

1. Nylander
2. Bertuzzi
3. Brodie
4. Domi
5. Knies
6. Samsonov
7.Woll
8. Kampf
9. McCabe
10. Liljegren

I hope McCabe proves me wrong. He has a lot to show when it comes to the assets given up for him. For now it's a massive overpayment by Dubas.

I have Brodie as a neutral/zero value. Team might take him off our hands without a sweetner.

Knies WAY more valuable.

 

[ACC1224]

Not in Matthews case it doesn't

Why wouldn’t it?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Why wouldn’t it?

Because he's the guy, he's the franchise player, If he were available We'd get a boatload regardless.

You might say "but the NMC restricts the market."

Not really not unless you believe he'd sign with a bottom feeder like SJ or a team like Arizona playing in front of 3500 people max

 

[ACC1224]

Because he's the guy, he's the franchise player, If he were available We'd get a boatload regardless.

You might say "but the NMC restricts the market."

Not really not unless you believe he'd sign with a bottom feeder like SJ or a team like Arizona playing in front of 3500 people max

They would get a boatload for any of the NMCs but obviously you just can’t up and trade them.
Yes, if they would go they would have value but it’s there decision for the team to resize their value not the Teams. IMO they can’t have the most value if you can’t cash in on that value

 

[Americanadian]

Players ranked by what they would return in a trade:

1. Matthews
2. Marner
3. Knies
4. Nylander
5. Liljegren
6. Samsonov
7. McCabe
8. Woll
9. Bertuzzi
10. Rielly

 

[Strangle]

So some of the least valuable assets in the NHL are Matthews, Marner, McDavid, Kucherov, Pastrnak, MacKinnon, Crosby, Malkin, etc...

Does a NMC really lower their value that much?

No, no, no.

Those other players aren’t maple leafs. On hfboards that’s really the deciding factor on value

 

[ACC1224]

Do we rank Robertson over Timmins ?

 

[Buds17]

Do we rank Robertson over Timmins ?

Robertson might have the higher trade value just because he's further away from UFA status/younger. I will say though that Timmins probably wouldn't clear waivers.

 

[Rob Brown]

1. Matthews
2. Marner
3. Rielly
4. Nylander
5. Knies
6. Samsonov
7. Bertuzzi (only cause he's on a fairly cheap 1 year deal if we needed to sell as a rental)
8. Liljegren
9. Woll
10. McCabe

 

[notDatsyuk]

The topic is 'for potential trades'.

How much time would a GM waste trying to come up with an offer for a player they know they cannot get? Probably none at all.

Kneis, Nylander, Samsonov, Woll, Liljgren, Timmins, Robertson, more or less in that order, and then picks.

I see that even the people who included Matty and Mitch didn't include JT.

 

[Menzinger]

Matthews
Marner
Nylander
Rielly
Tavares
Knies
Bertuzzi
Brodie
Lily
2014 1st

Top 10 in that order.

Could potentially swap Lily out for McCabe depending on how each fair by mid season.

Imo I don't think Sammy is going to have a ton of trade value. Maybe a late 1st for a team that truly believes in him

 

[justashadowof]

I'll skip the NMCs (Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Rielly, Bertuzzi) as well.
Nylander
Knies
Liljegren
McCabe
Samsonov
Domi
Brodie
Minten
Robertson
Cowan