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The only thing better last night would of been a full arena booing the Leafs off the ice and jersey toss or two
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sipowicz
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Wait, did I read somewhere in this thread that the Leaf's gave up a #1 for Foligno or was I hallucinating?
Had there ever been two more smug teams than the Laffs or Coilers going into the playoff's?!
Had there ever been two more smug teams than the Laffs or Coilers going into the playoff's?!
Evil Little
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My absolute favourite part was all the analytics adjacent pundits who had convinced themselves it was a great trade--"yeah, he's bad and cost what an all star should get as a rental, but it's a great fit."
I said at the time that the best aspect of that awful trade for the Leafs (sic) was to price their competition out of the rental market but it turns out they acted too late to stop their actual competition from adding Staal and Gustafsson.
This Foligno trade will truly be the gift that keeps on giving.
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I was originally of the impression it was a 1st and a 4th for a salary-retained Foligno. Then found out it was 2 4th rounders along with a 1st.
Still makes me laugh
EpochLink
Canucks and Jets fan
This was supposed to be a cake walk for them they said. Yes the Leafs gave up a first round pick for Foligno for some reason
Evil Little
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Yeah, the other 4th went to San Jose or whoever to eat another quarter of Foligno's $5.5m .5 PPG salary.
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For your reading pleasure 
Confirmed with Link: - [TOR/CBJ/SJS] TOR acquire Nick Foligno [75% Retained] & Stefan Noesen for 2021 1st, 2021 & 2022 4ths
EDIT: The comment that broke me
"The amount of people in here thirsting over picks. I'm gonna come back to this thread when the Leafs make a deep playoff run"
Confirmed with Link: - [TOR/CBJ/SJS] TOR acquire Nick Foligno [75% Retained] & Stefan Noesen for 2021 1st, 2021 & 2022 4ths
EDIT: The comment that broke me
"The amount of people in here thirsting over picks. I'm gonna come back to this thread when the Leafs make a deep playoff run"
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I don't think anyone would want that contract for the player as described. I don't entirely agree with that description though.
So far, he has 25 pts in 32 PO games. That is not exactly failing to show up in the PO. Prior to this year it was 21 in 25. Also, look at his PO performance in Jr. It is not the NHL, but it still ramps up the intensity. He was spectacular.
I do think he is overpaid by a couple of mil. He gets too much for a winger. He gets too much for a setup man. For that money he needs to either be a C or more of a goal scorer. But if TML would retain a couple of mil, I think he has a lot of trade value - to the right team.
Well, didn't you all know that the Leafs 1st round pick was guaranteed to be #32 overall so it mattered very little, basically the same as a second round pick!
Cypruss
Stand up for your beliefs.
And they have a grand total of 6 picks in the next 2 years of drafts. 3 this year, 3 next year. Going all in a few years in a row for 1st round and "play-in" exits have significantly hindered the future as well. Wow, what a mess. Enjoying every second of it!
Cypruss
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Has anyone also mentioned that for next year, they have 12.5 million of cap space and need to sign at least 10 players still??
Going to be a lot of bargain hunting and trash bin diving to fill out the roster, I guess. They almost have to trade one of their big contracts, one would think?
I prefer Soilers over coilers..because they soil themselves during the playoffs
..and Edmonton definitely shit themselves during the playoffs
kanadalainen
A pint of dark matter, please.
If Edmonton shit themselves, then Toronto must have blown the entire contents of their colons out of their hockey pants.
Cypruss
Stand up for your beliefs.
Going to have to...suspecting Marner, but return will be lighter than they expect. Need a goalie in those 10 to sign for 12.5 million as well. LOL - They are still paying Phil Kessel 1.2 million under their cap next season
MardyBum
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schmockeyknife
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yeah spez is a good pro and seems to be a class act. still has game too.
i prolly got a little soft spot for him from the ottawa days when the sens were my young son's fave team.
Duke749
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That's what I'm saying.
Yeh i was gonna say, they pretty much go hand in hand after I thought about it.
Evil Little
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The good analytics minds seem to be comfortable in their assessments since they know outliers exists and it's an opportunity to bask in the magic that is the Leafs (sic) ineptitude.
But the analytics-adjacent pundits and the dumbasses are getting real defensive about this one:
Imagine thinking two teams that added Zach Bogosian are even examples of analytics teams. Which specifically points to the real reason that analytics don't work--nobody's who's ever in a position to double down on them ever does. None of them have the stomach to see it through to its logical conclusion. Dubas won the civil war then just did the same things Mark Hunter would have done anyhow. @garret9 summed it up nicely:
The Leafs weren't an analytics team. They were following the Jim Rutherford Penguins model: have your elite, tanked-for core and add shitty dinosaur-beloved players to them until something clicks.
But the analytics-adjacent pundits and the dumbasses are getting real defensive about this one:
Imagine thinking two teams that added Zach Bogosian are even examples of analytics teams. Which specifically points to the real reason that analytics don't work--nobody's who's ever in a position to double down on them ever does. None of them have the stomach to see it through to its logical conclusion. Dubas won the civil war then just did the same things Mark Hunter would have done anyhow. @garret9 summed it up nicely:
The Leafs weren't an analytics team. They were following the Jim Rutherford Penguins model: have your elite, tanked-for core and add shitty dinosaur-beloved players to them until something clicks.
tbone1968
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And not much room against the cap. Brutal. Can't pay 2-3 guys 10m plus (holy f*** Dubas you got bent over) and properly construct the rest of the roster properly. Case in point Edm, Tor.
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