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Some posts to get us started:
Some posts to get us started:
I think it is nonsense. If he had asked for 15 mil and settled for 14 would they also say he left money on the table? Probably.
I don't think he left a nickel on the table. He asked for 13.25 and settled for 12.5 having extorted all there was out of the Oilers.
Yeah, those comments are pretty comical rationalizations by Oilers fans. McDavid got what he could and I don't begrudge him that. Scheifele on the other hand probably left money on the table. And to be clear I'm not suggesting Scheifele = McDavid because he isn't. But arguably a top 10 C in the league for half the price? yes please.
If the Oilers drop $8+ on Draisaitl they are in Chicago cap hell before they've ever won any cups.
Is no player worth the max in the NHL? Some caller was whining on 1290 this morning that the NHL's "middle class" was being decimated by these big contracts but it's exactly the opposite. The middle class players suck the money from the elites. How much are Crosby or McDavid worth on a truly open market with no cap? How much would Toronto or Montreal spend? $25M/year? More? How much are they worth to a market like NYR or LA? There are 291 players with a cap hit between $3M and $8M per year. 14 guys are $8M+.
Well hockey isn't basketball where a couple of stars alone will win you a championship. So while I agree with you in principle I don't think you can win in this league with a couple of stars making a crazy amount of cash while going dirt cheap on the middle class. The middle class is far more important to success in the NFL than the NBA for instance.
If they paid above market value as a 'thank you' I think that would have been a mistake. If 20 of the 29 other teams would have paid that much then it was market value and not a 'thank you'.
I think they did pay over market, especially for Toews. They could probably handle it though - if they were sufficiently careful with other decisions going forward. They need to keep up a stream of good young players on cheap contracts to continue to compete with those 2 big contracts on the books. I don't think they have done that well enough. They will miss Hjalmarsson and they will miss the young assets they gave up for Ladd.
But I don't think that saving 2-3 mil in cap space between those 2 contracts would make enough difference to keep them in contention. It is the decisions made since then that will determine whether or not they stay in the cup battle.
The same will apply to Edm. If they had signed McD for a more team friendly 10.5 it wouldn't make the difference for them either. It will be the decisions they make in trying to build around him that will determine the outcome there. All those big contracts do is reduce the margin for error on all the other decisions.
Definitely - maybe it's true that no one player is worth 20% of the cap in the NHL. But the cap distorts things and spreads the money around to the middle class pretty well...so maybe it is working just fine?
Oh I think the cap is working ok for the most part. The middle class gets more of the pie because there is more demand for them imo. I think you can still fairly compensate your stars though even if they aren't making double or triple the amounts like their counterparts in other leagues.
I think Edmonton will run into problems because not only are they paying their franchise player crazy money but that they also are paying a number of mediocre players big bucks. I don't think they will have the cap space or organizational depth to work within the constraints they are creating.
Chicago is exhibit A of how paying stars big dollars with depleted depth isn't going to get you far.