WHAT!? then you blame fehr?
Don't blame Fehr in the least, he was hired to represent the player's interest, not the owners.
Then he failed miserably. The players lost more then they could ever make up with a better CBA about a month into the season. He failed miserably.
If we can all agree the basics:
-We get a career/job to make money(money to support ourselves and our family)
-If we can have fun doing our job/career then that is a plus
So Fehr's job is to make sure his employees are well paid, and are having a good time while working.
The NHL's offer's have ensure the above. Fehr has tried to rally the troops in a "**** the authority mentality" and we see it in the dumb,immature, unprofessional tweets the players post.
Fehr is not doing his job...unless his job was to make a "**** you" point to their bosses at all cost...in which case how can any of you agree with this? I might have thought this way...then i turned 18.
If fehr's job is to get his players the most amount of money possible, then he's failed at his job, and keeps failing more and more every day. Remember the players are losing much more then the owners. The players lose 1.8(or is it 1.6, i forget) billion on the season in profits. The owners lose maybe 50-100 million in profit with a missed season.
No clue why the NHLPA did not impose a similar gag order to the one the NHL stuck the owners with. If they thought letting the player's voice their opinions was going to win the fans over to their side then boy did that not work out. Props to the majority of the players that have just kept to themselves or answered questions legitimately for reporters instead of the idiocy we see on Twitter.
http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/article/1291710--nhl-lockout-don-cherry-to-players-smarten-up
Here's a piece by none other then don cherry on the matter. Funny thing is, he makes a lot of sense here and is pretty much bang on on everything.
Bettman is a cancer. . . . First, you unfeelin’ jerks. How do you think the people with cancer feel?
Really Don? We're not allowed to use this expression anymore? Get real.
Nah, i'm pretty sure you've been watching a different lockout.
-The NHL tried to reach the NHLPA 4 times. Count em, 4 times!!!! last year. The NHLPA kept saying no. POINT IN FAVOUR OF NHL.
Bettman has been professional about this while fehr has been withholding information to the players.
The players have been more unproffesional then i could imagine. 2 POINT IN FAVOUR OF NHL. in fact, looking at how immature the players have been in the media, 3 points in favour of nhl. The players have been disgraceful.
The NHL's offers kept getting closer and closer to the middle, while the NHLPAs first 4 offers were basically the same recycled trash. POINT IN FAVOUR OF NHL.
The nhl is fighting to keep the league viable. The long term health of the league is their main priority. The NHLPA is fighting to keep average salaries at 2.6 million instead of 2.2 million. The money the players make is their main priority. 1 POINT IN FAVOUR OF THE NHL.
the NHL has all the leverage...they're only losing about 50-100 million in profit. The NHLPA is losing 1.8 billion in profit. 1 POINT IN FAVOUR OF NHL.
How can you know all the above(assuming your staying knowledgable through the whole process) then go on siding with the players and fehr? Doesn't make any sense.
It does make sense if you informed yourself.
Inform yourself!!
Sorry, I don't believe for one second a lockout was going to be avoided regardless of when negotiations started. When one side only wants to take, no settlement can be reached until breaking points occur.
Link that substantiates your claim about Fehr?
Bettman professional? Well if rejecting proposals out of hand in 5 - 10 minutes, halting negotiations and stomping out, claims of concessions when none have been made, melting down on national TV, attempts to assassinate Fehr's character and divide the union are acts of professionalism, then I guess you're right.
Of the 750 players in the NHLPA, a handful have posted tweets or made comments to the media that were less than appropriate. However, I can understand player frustration when I hear the absolute BS flowing from Bettman and Daly.
So you believe if someone offered you 50% of the value for you house, then moved up to 60% its a good deal?
The initial offers from the NHL were laughable, the NHLPA's proposals were at least an attempt to address the fundamental problem with the economics. The players want to end this cycle of lockouts and realize the only way to achieve this is through a viable revenue sharing plan.
You are drinking the NHL koolaid, in gulps!!!!
Average salary is nothing more than a function of revenue, when one rises so does the other. The players have agreed to 50/50, what they want is the owners to honour the signed contracts.
The 'make whole' was the concept Bettman claimed would do this, but it is now obvious that was a fairy tale.
What does leverage have to do with favouring/supporting one side or another?
I respectfully suggest you do a little research yourself, the Maple Leafs alone make $100M profit.
Might not make sense to you, but when I consider all the factors I don't believe the NHL/owners are acting in good faith.
Since 02-03 as league revenue grew from $1.996B to $3.4B, the players' share +13.8%, the owners' share +238.6%. During that time the owners raised ticket prices by 39%, I suppose you blame the players for this as well.
The facts are clear, owners make the business decisions yet don't want accountability when the economics don't work. Their answer, turn to the fans, sponsors, taxpayers and players to pay the bill.
IMO its time one of these entities stood up to the NHL, and so the players have my full support.
Maybe you should take your own advice, base your points on fact, not anecdotal evidence and emotion.
So you believe if someone offered you 50% of the value for you house, then moved up to 60% its a good deal?
I would be surprised if this happened in Canada where fans are less concerned with how they are treated. Im pretty confident Gary could come out and say he dislikes Canada and that he hopes nobody from Canada ever watches a hockey game again and people would come back in droves. Sad because like many have said the only way this stops is if fans show their displeasure but similar to the owners some fans cannot help themselves!
You would just be hurting melnyk. Bad idea. Actually, terrible idea.
The players get paid everything.
Melnyk gets stuck paying the players without getting revenue...lockout time again.
Seriously though, think about it. Melnyk would be the only one hurting from that scenario. The only one. If you blame melnyk for this lockout, then go ahead...but i don't blame melnyk, therefore won't hurt melnyk. He's saved our team. I'd rather the players on the team( who will be out the door in the ever changing rotation of players) suffer then melnyk who's priority is not losing money while offering the fine people of ottawa hockey to watch.
I'd much rather boo the players then hurt melnyk financially after all hes done for the city. but hey, that's just me.
Depends. If no one else in the world is going to offer you that 50% of your houses "value" then yeah, 60% is a good offer.
I definitely have no interest in watching a 40-odd game season or whatever amount it's going to end up being. What a f#$$% travesty.
What?
40 game schedule >>>>>>>>>>>> 82 gamer.
Think about it. As soon as the season starts, it's basically playoffs the whole way, with an extra injury or two.
Going to be awesome.
Every year should be a max 60 game schedule. Would be so good. Goes for NBA as well.
If you guys want to argue owners vs players then I suggest you take it to the general NHL board.
We're all Sens fans and I don't want to have to block some of you like I did that Veni Vidi Vici dude
Why can't we talk about the lockout in the sens board as well? It's interesting to get different perspectives.
As for the response to...i forget...i will do it after my exam.
Yeah, I cant see it happening in Canada either, but I'll be amazed if smaller market teams can retain even the minimal attendance they had before this lockout.