Benton Fraser said:Yeah Woooo Doug Wilson....
Your seriously saying that they are worse players for being in a brutal Soviet sports system where they had to train more than any players do in the NHL, and at the same time represent their nation at all of the international tournements and all the rest of that crap.monkey_00 said:At this stage of the game I just wanted to let everyone know that I will personally come out with a more accurate ranking for each of the teams in this League of ours.........some teams had too many Russians and others had too much pure talent and not enough GRIT.......remember Team Canada 1972?.....their most effective line was the Ron Ellis-Bobby Clarke-Paul Henderson line.........every team needs their "muckers and pluggers".......you need a good balanced team to go all the way........PLUS some of the teams in this draft of ours were LOADED with NHL playoff calibre performers...and NHL playoff CLUTCH players...(like my team for example)........can anyone tell me a more gruelling hockey tournament then the Stanley Cup playoffs?.......How many of those Russian hockey players played in the NHL Stanley Cup playoffs that Maxwell Edison drafted for his hockey team?.....exactly..........not too many..........
Vladislav Tretiak said:Training camp was in a suburb of Moscow. It started in July. We had rest for only one month. In July 1, we started a two-month training camp. We had three practices every day. We'd wake up at 7:15, then at 7:25 run for one hour. Breakfast at 9. Eleven to 1 was training on dry land that was very hard. Then after lunch we'd sleep for two hours, then have one more practice from 5-7. It was very tough. I didn't like training camp. Because sometimes the start of the season I would be so tired because it was unbelievable. In Chicago it's three hours, no more. In Russia, training camp was so hard. And we did this for 11 months out of the year with the same team. It was tough.
Interviewer: When Tarassov...?
Firsov: I saw him, when I played with TsSKA for Spartak in Sokol'niki, we won 3:1. I drove to Puchkov such a puck that nobody could see it. There was no Tarassov yet at that time, but I felt that this was an idea of Tarassov coming. That was in September, and in November I was already recruited to the Army. And sometime in early January Tarassov had come, and it was here, where the most horrible suffering had begun. I came puny, 67 kilograms, weight was light, technical and mental abilities were so much faster, that physical capabilities were not enough. And so Tarassov started 2-3 trainings [per day] with me. I did not imagine [before] what are these trainings. Guys, who were trained under Tarassov before that, sustained that. But I, during first days, fell down after trainings and could not even stand up.
These trainings continued sometime until April. In April he gave me a schedule, how to spend vacations, and he wrote me three trainings for every day.
Interviewer: How important was hockey for Tarassov?
Firsov: That was Tarassov could be called a dictator of the hockey. It could not be in any kind of business, either in art or sports or politics without a dictator of some kind. It was not clear to me who that might be, how one can train himself, self-trainings. First time under his leadership I could not train quietly; I could not understand what he demands from me. But then, when he rooted me love to these trainings, I trained permanently until 27. I did not understand how it is to train once or twice a day. Even on vacations, when I went to Zhemchuzhnyi, there was a stairway of 150 steps. I necessarily in the morning went down on my left foot, than on my right foot, then went to swim, made big exercises with a weight in the afternoon, played tennis in the evenings, forces permitting, run on a hill in the evenings. Therefore today this stairs was named after me.
monkey_00 said:BM67..........
I couldn't help but to go over that roster of yours once more....like I said before I think you have too many players from before 1967.........like I said too many guys on your roster from before 1967.....in their day those guys were great players but alot of them wouldn't be as good going up against the greats of today....anyways the players from your roster from before 1967:
Ted Lindsay
Charlie Conacher
Dit Clapper
Dickie Moore
Earl Seibert
Teeder Kennedy
Elmer Lach
Turk Broda...no mask
Frank Boucher
Syl Apps Sr
Lester Patrick
Woody Dumart
George Hainsworth...no mask Part II
Doug Mohns
14 guys from before 1967...........alot of those guys YES got first allstar team selections but if they had to go up against alot of the modern day guys they wouldn't even have HALF the number of allstar team selections that they had IMO.........
....................Oh well.........good luck in the next draft.
monkey_00 said:NOW.........I know your players have more allstar team selections, that's not the point I was making with you.......the point I was making with you is the VAST majority of your players got their allstar team selections in a different ERA a VERY looooong time ago...back when there was only 6-teams in the NHL....
monkey_00 said:I REPEAT, a Handful of players from the past who would do "ok" in todays NHL like HULL and HOWE
Gordie Howe scored 41 points playing in the NHL as a 52 year old in 1980. Howe, way past his prime, was more than "ok" in the modern NHL; in his prime he still would have dominated.
I posted the final rosters on 48. If you're looking for lines and such, I'd guess you'd have to look at the pages just before that for when people made their last few picks.Spitfire11 said:I don't want to look through 55 pages, so does anyone know what page has all the rosters listed, or could someone please post one.
---------------------------------------------BM67 said:OK, we'll use your list of player sizes for your team from your post above and compare forwards.
Tim Kerr, RW/C – 6’3â€, 230
Alexander Yakushev, LW – 6’3â€, 200
Dit Clapper, D/RW - 6’2â€, 195
Bob Gainey, LW – 6’2â€, 190
Peter Bondra, RW - 6’1â€, 205
Charlie Conacher, RW - 6’1â€, 202
Jerome Iginla, RW – 6’1â€, 202
John Tonelli, LW – 6’1â€, 195
Woody Dumart, LW - 6’0â€, 200
John MacLean, RW - 6’0â€, 200
Syl Apps Sr., C - 6’0â€, 195
Joe Sakic, C – 5’11â€, 185
Teeder Kennedy, C - 5’11â€, 180
Glenn Anderson, RW – 5’11â€, 175
Pavel Bure, RW – 5’10â€, 192
Dickie Moore, LW - 5’10â€, 185
Dino Ciccarelli, RW – 5’10â€, 180
Denis Savard, C – 5’10â€, 175
Elmer Lach, C - 5’10â€, 170
Butch Goring, C – 5’10â€, 165
Frank Boucher, C - 5’9â€, 185
Newsy Lalonde, C - 5’9â€, 170
Stan Mikita, C/RW – 5’9â€, 170
Dave Keon, C – 5’9â€, 165
Ted Lindsay, LW – 5’8â€, 165
Henri Richard, C – 5’7â€, 160
Average Sizes
Tigers: F: 5'11.4", 185.7
Devils: F: 5'10.9", 186.3
Now say again about how my players are way too small to compete. Tell me again how slow skaters like Dave Andreychuk can't cut it in the modern NHL. Tell me again how small players like Theo Fleury can't cut it in the modern NHL. Then tell me one bad thing about any of my players besides "he played before 67 so he sucks", and I might believe you know anything about them.
I can say Kerr lacks foot speed, and is better suited to playing the wing, or Bure plays defense like he thinks he'll get fined every time he goes behind his own teams blueline.
Come on monkey, tell me Boucher takes bad penalties, or Lach and Apps are poor skaters. Tell me Conacher and Seibert were terrible fighters.
1979-80: Gordie Howe age 52, John Tonelli age 23
Howe 80 gp 15 g 26 a 41 pt 42 pim +9
Tonelli 77 gp 14 g 30 a 44 pt 49 pim +8
Benton Fraser said:Your defense is big there is no doubt about that, but I would rather take a few d-men who were not huge, but could skate and produce even a little bit in an offensive manner. You have players like Smith, McSorley,and Chara - along with Lutchenko. That is a slow blueline that was mainly selected with the lower picks. Being tall doesn't really mean they are great players. You have players on there that were #3-4 or worse (McSorley was usually around a #4 at the best of times, same with Smith) and you seemed to select them because of their size. In my view you have one great defenseman in Robinson, a very good defenseman in Chara (for two years anyways), a could good defensemen in Wilson, and Lutchenko. And the rest are average at best defensmen.
Just being tall doesn't mean they will be great d-men, especially when coming up against some of the fastest players and most dynamic players of all time. Hell Marek Malik is from this era, he is tall why was he not selected for I am sure he would dominate 60 years ago.... well I would if I followed your logic.
Benton Fraser...................
My guys were tall and they also were great defencemen who played their NHL hockey in modern times.........you seem to be under-estimating Smith and McSorely both of whom were on multiple Stanley Cup winning teams with those high flying dmonton Oilers.....heck even THEY realized you need some muckers and pluggers on your hockey team to help you win Championships...PLUS McSorely is my 7th d-man and will be seeing very little ice time.....if ANYTHING he will be my team's enforcer as a Forward on my 4th line for whenever the opportunity ever presented itself to me..........as long as you have a good solid core of FOUR defencemen like I do then that's all you really need.........look at the Montreal Canadiens of the 1970s......everybody keeps referring to them the BIG THREE of their blueline (Robinson, Savard and LaPointe)....well I have the Big Four on my club (Robinson, Chara, Wilson and Lutchenko)......my 4 top guys on the blueline would be playing 85-to-90% of the time and the #5 and #6 guys (Greschner and Smith) would see only 10-to-15% of the ice time........that's enough.........................Oh and as far as Malik goes I didn't select him for my hockey club...............my guys are big and they are also modern day NHLers who play in an ERA with the best and FASTEST skaters of alltime........this doesn't seem to be hampering their game at all IMO......my BIG players may lack some speed but they more than make-up for it with their GREAT POSITIONAL PLAY.
Cheers!
Benton Fraser said:For the last time I don't care if you selected Tikhonov, you know what it really didn't factor into my decision when I ranked the teams. It seems as though you are the only person who is defending your team anyways, and most everyone else who is ranking the teams has taken the position that your team is not one of the elite teams in the draft, especially on defense, which is big, but lacks natural tallent - in a defensive or an offensive way.
Benton Fraser said:Ha Smith McSorley and to a lesser extent Ron Greschner were not great defensemen. Chara has only recently come into his own, and really for the better part of the previous decade saying he was a liability would be a compliment. Wilson was a solid offensive defenseman, but really was never really an all time great defenseman. I really don't know much about Lutchenko but from what I have read he wasn't anywhere near a #1 defenseman. Really your only great defeseman is Robinson.