Explain.
I see them as quite different. One played on a terrible team and earned plenty of individual praise. One played on a very good team and earned a grand total of zero in terms of individual praise (as in hart votes or all-star teams). His three Jennings trophies from back when it was called something else don't count.
What? Where did you get this idea?
I don't hate any of those guys. Gardiner and Holecek both made my last top-120. Smith made the list last time around, and I pushed hard for him to make that final cut into the top-100 (do you remember this?) and he was an agonizing final cut from this year's top-120.
What's wrong with my placement of Holecek? I'm pretty sure that by having him in my top-120 I ranked him higher than most people would. Is there something wrong with this?
Gardiner does get overrated. So does Hainsworth. Worters, and to a lesser extent, Thompson, get underrated. Then there's Alec Connell. All from the 1930s. If you agree with me that Hainsworth is overrated and shouldn't make the top-20 (and I'm pretty sure I remember you saying he wouldn't make your list this year), then who from that era should? Nobody? When 4 goalies from the 1950-1970 era and three from 1985-present are in the top-10? Doesn't seem right. Someone had to have been the best of that time. I think it was Worters. I have shown many times why. Followed closely by Gardiner, then Thompson, then Hainsworth, then Connell. A few of them had to be among the top-20 ever. It could be argued that by placing my top-3 of that time in the 17th, 18th, and 20th spots, that I still underrepresented that era. Am I being unreasonable?
If you separate the history of hockey into six sections (pre merger, post merger, early O6, late O6, expansion, modern), my top-rated goalies from each era are 1st, 2nd, 4th, 7th, 11th, and.... 17th. The 17th is of course Worters, the best of the early NHL era. You think I'm overpimping the guy, a breakdown of my list says otherwise. We have historically undervalued the goalies of this time, probably because there's not much to choose from between the four best and everyone has their own ideas about why one should be higher.
Keep in mind we never compared hart votes from goalies in different eras (like the absure Dutton/Lidstrom comparison). Pit and I have both shown what type of hart consideration goalies received, specifically in Worters' time.
Giacomin is to Worters what Thornton is to Kovalchuk. One, you know is bad in the playoffs. The other, you don't know either way. I would like my odds with Worters, personally.
He's my 3rd favourite player of all-time, but I'd have a hard time taking him as a regular, even with 32 teams. He's definitely clutch. Never top-10 in goals, but top-10 in GWG 3 times. Was the career OT goal leader. Scored an OT goal for the Leafs in the playoffs. Also set up and scored other big late goals in 1999, 2000, and 2001. He will also fight the likes of Jason Wiemer and get pummelled because he's a good team guy.