Alfredsson?
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Henkka
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Maybe the playoffs are more important, but the 1st half games are just as important as the 2nd.
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Alfie is a smart player but we alreayd knew that before he signed. I especially watched him very closely for many years. The problem seems to be his body. He tended to shy away from contact a bit and his stamina wasnt that great. I dont know, I wasnt really following last season closely and wasn't really watching him.
As for comparisson to Datsyuk, Alfie is very good at analyzing and slowing the game down. Prototypical of how swedes play hockey in general. He knows how to make opposition's tunnel vision work for him so he stops at the right place. Datsyuk is more up tempo guy who likes to be in the mix. Key difference is that Datsyuk has uncomprehendable level of skill that he can utilize very well in game situations. Datsyuk can take those very brief openings and pounce on it. So he sets up opposition to make those small mistake more so than Alfie. When Alfie sets up a play, it's usually for his teammate primarily. Datsyuk also isn't afraid to go to middle of the ice and face pressure. It's not to say Datsyuk is not a great passer. Dats just doesnt have to focus on more macro level play all the time. He can switch it up. It's just very hard to consistently create chances one way in NHL. Everyone knows what's up.
Alfie usually focuses on big picture primarily.. but his age probably has to do with some of that. I saw him many times when he was younger. He's not that a dominant player you notice when he comes onto the ice anymore.
But comparing Alfredsson to Datsyuk is not fair. Alfredsson has an elite level awarness on his own right.
As for comparisson to Datsyuk, Alfie is very good at analyzing and slowing the game down. Prototypical of how swedes play hockey in general. He knows how to make opposition's tunnel vision work for him so he stops at the right place. Datsyuk is more up tempo guy who likes to be in the mix. Key difference is that Datsyuk has uncomprehendable level of skill that he can utilize very well in game situations. Datsyuk can take those very brief openings and pounce on it. So he sets up opposition to make those small mistake more so than Alfie. When Alfie sets up a play, it's usually for his teammate primarily. Datsyuk also isn't afraid to go to middle of the ice and face pressure. It's not to say Datsyuk is not a great passer. Dats just doesnt have to focus on more macro level play all the time. He can switch it up. It's just very hard to consistently create chances one way in NHL. Everyone knows what's up.
Alfie usually focuses on big picture primarily.. but his age probably has to do with some of that. I saw him many times when he was younger. He's not that a dominant player you notice when he comes onto the ice anymore.
But comparing Alfredsson to Datsyuk is not fair. Alfredsson has an elite level awarness on his own right.
Good signing, I would do it again in a heartbeat. I think he fit very well with the roster and performed up to a standard high enough that you could recognize some of the old Daniel Alfredsson was still there.
Even at 41 or whatever Alfie is, he's easily one of the top 5 players on the team if he re-signs. I hope he decides to play another year in Detroit, it was a pleasure watching him last season.
I want him re-signed. I'm all for getting some of the younger guys ice time in the NHL but Alfie is still an NHL caliber player in my mind. I think it all comes down to whether his body will cooperate.
BinCookin
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1 page of debate over whether or not the guy that was our LEADING SCORER last year is worth re-signing? LOL! WTF?!
With all due respect. Alfie might seem slower, or look older to you all. BUT HIS RESULTS WERE CLEAR! He was the best player (HM Nyquist) on an injured team that lost its superstars for half the season.
Pretty much we should be debating all the 3rd liners, not the first liner which we clearly want to resign. Its not even a question.
Cleary/miller/abdelkader etc etc can fight it out for who sits. Playing any of these guys over a healthy Alfie is LUDICROUS!
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Totally agreed. If we weren't so set with Z, Datsyuk, and Kronwall as captains then Alfie would definitely deserve a letter. He's been a great addition to the team.
PelagicJoe
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Alfie needs the rest of the wings roster to stay healthy so that he isn't needed to shoulder as large of a load as he did last season.... If the rest of the team can stay healthy, we could use Alfie more sparingly and he should be fine going into the playoffs. I'd definitely bring him back for another season.
Adityase
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I think he performed above fan expectations, but at a level appropriate for his salary. His speed, strength and Stamina are not what they were, but he was the smartest guy on the team not called Datsyuk or Zetterberg.
At a slightly reduced salary I'd have him back in a heartbeat as long as the back is functioning, as I think he doesn't impact on Tatar or nyquist or even jurco as all perform better with line mates other than those who suit him.
Zatta, Dats, Alfie
Nyquist, Weiss, Franzen (Weiss and zatta interchangeable)
Tatar, Sheahan, Jurco
Miller, Helm, Abdelkader
Cleary, Glendenning
Kronwall, Smith
Quincey, Dekeyser
Kindl, Ericsson
Lasshoff
(happy for Smith, Ericsson or Quincey to move up and down dependent form - As long as smith and Quincey are kept apart)
Ideally Marchenko, Oullett and Sproul to get a look over the season, and the same for the forwards in the minors...Obviously this could change if Mantha explodes, or Cleary or Weiss at still semi-disabled...but I'd be happy with this as a starting option
At a slightly reduced salary I'd have him back in a heartbeat as long as the back is functioning, as I think he doesn't impact on Tatar or nyquist or even jurco as all perform better with line mates other than those who suit him.
Zatta, Dats, Alfie
Nyquist, Weiss, Franzen (Weiss and zatta interchangeable)
Tatar, Sheahan, Jurco
Miller, Helm, Abdelkader
Cleary, Glendenning
Kronwall, Smith
Quincey, Dekeyser
Kindl, Ericsson
Lasshoff
(happy for Smith, Ericsson or Quincey to move up and down dependent form - As long as smith and Quincey are kept apart)
Ideally Marchenko, Oullett and Sproul to get a look over the season, and the same for the forwards in the minors...Obviously this could change if Mantha explodes, or Cleary or Weiss at still semi-disabled...but I'd be happy with this as a starting option
Number1RedWingsFan52
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Agreed, If Alfie does'nt resign and decides to retire. I could very well see Jurco up front with Pav and Z that would be sweet.
Kronwalled55
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I'm a bit surprised that it's almost August and he hasn't been signed yet. I doubt he's calling it quits, but it's been quiet on both sides.
Frk It
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Pretty sure I read somewhere, where he said he's not making a decision until the end of August.
Let me see if I can find that now.
Edit: here it is
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Kronwalled55
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He'll be back. Everyone's different of course, but it seems like more times than not when guys wait it out till the last second to see if they can give it another go... they return. It's just their competitive nature.
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Agreed. But, I also wouldn't be surprised to see him take a job in the org. One of the sells for Detroit was that aspect.
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Hopefully. Though we have no idea how his body feels, and seeing how his body reacts to him starting to put in the work to get ready for the long haul of another year will probably factor in heavily to his decision.
I'm all for it at this point. If he comes back I see no way Cleary is in the opening night line up. And that would make me a very happy Wings fan.
golffuul
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I'm not sure he will. Late August to give an answer with, essentially, 2 weeks to go before Training Camp. But I think unless Alfredsson has been working hard for the last month, I believe he is done. While I would love to see him have a good year, since we haven't had a good "older" FA signing work out well for us since Rafalski.
I would still like to see less Veterans and more kids on the club and speed up this "retooling" period. If we have to live through early playoff exits, I would like to see them with more kids.
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Third degree rumours out of a recent golf tournament that included an organizational source from the Red Wings indicate that Alfredsson is likely not in their plans. I can't validate it at all, though, but it's chatter nonetheless.
Number1RedWingsFan52
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Could be possible if they don't feel that his back will hold up. Once Tatar and Dekeyser resign we will be at the 23 man roster limit I would be curious then what Holland would do just stay with that roster or maybe try and sign like Penner or Setoguchi on a short term deal or possibly hope and pray that Mantha makes the team.
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Henkka
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Alfie is just waiting how much of cap space we have left after re-signing Tatar and DeKeyser. Then they'll make the deal.
that signing pushes Jurco down and Cleary gets the hate again.
that signing pushes Jurco down and Cleary gets the hate again.
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