Player Discussion Alexis Lafrenière

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[Thirty One]

Promising young player IMO

 

[Greg02]

Promising young player IMO

Have you considered that the Rangers are overtly killing his career?

 

[Thirty One]

Have you considered that the Rangers are overtly killing his career?

I have considered it and have rejected it.

 

[mottosays]

Overtly.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

Hopefully this the thread where he consistently plays in the top 6

 

[brakeyawself]

All I have to say is, Waaahhhh, Waaaahh, Waaaah! Why Alex, why?

And I will continue this tantrum until he either mans up or he's out of the league. Because right now, I honestly would not even put money on him having a long and successful career, let alone becoming what he was supposed to become.

13 points in 45 games, is not promising 5x5 numbers. I see a lot of folks saying "if he only had the PP time"..... If he only had significant PP time, then what? He's shown he'd be putting up points on the PP? Really? And comparing him to other players directly seems pretty irrelevant because no two players have the same experience and no two players develop identically. He's not Zegras, or MacKinnon or whomever. But if he also hasn't looked as good on the ice as they and others do/did either. Right now, he looks like he's developing into an ok bottom 6 guy....

I honestly do not think he has shown enough on the ice to be more optimistic. People get hyperbolic in both directions. He's not yet a bust, nor is he definitely not a bust. But I honestly do not like how he's developed so far. And I certainly don't think it's only a matter of more minutes and more PP. Maybe one day, he'll be as good as..... Lawson Crouse, just with less physical presence.

 

[mottosays]

All I have to say is, Waaahhhh, Waaaahh, Waaaah! Why Alex, why?

And I will continue this tantrum until he either mans up or he's out of the league. Because right now, I honestly would not even put money on him having a long and successful career, let alone becoming what he was supposed to become.

13 points in 45 games, is not promising 5x5 numbers. I see a lot of folks saying "if he only had the PP time"..... If he only had significant PP time, then what? He's shown he'd be putting up points on the PP? Really? And comparing him to other players directly seems pretty irrelevant because no two players have the same experience and no two players develop identically. He's not Zegras, or MacKinnon or whomever. But if he also hasn't looked as good on the ice as they and others do/did either. Right now, he looks like he's developing into an ok bottom 6 guy....

I honestly do not think he has shown enough on the ice to be more optimistic. People get hyperbolic in both directions. He's not yet a bust, nor is he definitely not a bust. But I honestly do not like how he's developed so far. And I certainly don't think it's only a matter of more minutes and more PP. Maybe one day, he'll be as good as..... Lawson Crouse, just with less physical presence.

People still say this shit?

 

[brakeyawself]

People still say this shit?

um, yea.. Just check out the last few pages of the previous thread version.

 

[mottosays]

You can't say we've had an honest assessment of Lafreniere when we have yet to see him consistently given top six minutes or consistent PP time. That's the key here.

All of his points are 5v5 points thus far in his career on the third line, and he's done well given the context.

I'm reserving judgment until we see him on the top line more, and given more PP time.

I understand some people have the attention span of a TikTok user and no patience, but I'm not one of them.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Will he ever get the PP time with Strome here?

 

[The New Russian Five]

You can't say we've had an honest assessment of Lafreniere when we have yet to see him consistently given top six minutes or consistent PP time. That's the key here.

All of his points are 5v5 points thus far in his career on the third line, and he's done well given the context.

I'm reserving judgment until we see him on the top line more, and given more PP time.

I understand some people have the attention span of a TikTok user and no patience, but I'm not one of them.

You have to earn top 6 minutes. How do you think every other player who has played in this league got into the top 6? From what I have seen he has been a bubble top 6 player since he has started and he's had chances in the top 6 before to prove that he belongs there and didn't do much to stay there (hence why he's bounced around back into the bottom 6). This wahh he never gets top 6 minutes argument has gotten really old.

 

[mas0764]

Sometimes development is more important than rigid rules about earning playing time. If Lafreniere develops better playing with Zibanejad than with Goodrow, then he shouldn’t have to earn shit and should be playing with Zibanejad.

 

[Scott r]

All I have to say is, Waaahhhh, Waaaahh, Waaaah! Why Alex, why?

And I will continue this tantrum until he either mans up or he's out of the league. Because right now, I honestly would not even put money on him having a long and successful career, let alone becoming what he was supposed to become.

13 points in 45 games, is not promising 5x5 numbers. I see a lot of folks saying "if he only had the PP time"..... If he only had significant PP time, then what? He's shown he'd be putting up points on the PP? Really? And comparing him to other players directly seems pretty irrelevant because no two players have the same experience and no two players develop identically. He's not Zegras, or MacKinnon or whomever. But if he also hasn't looked as good on the ice as they and others do/did either. Right now, he looks like he's developing into an ok bottom 6 guy....

I honestly do not think he has shown enough on the ice to be more optimistic. People get hyperbolic in both directions. He's not yet a bust, nor is he definitely not a bust. But I honestly do not like how he's developed so far. And I certainly don't think it's only a matter of more minutes and more PP. Maybe one day, he'll be as good as..... Lawson Crouse, just with less physical presence.

Very very true

 

[Scott r]

You can't say we've had an honest assessment of Lafreniere when we have yet to see him consistently given top six minutes or consistent PP time. That's the key here.

All of his points are 5v5 points thus far in his career on the third line, and he's done well given the context.

I'm reserving judgment until we see him on the top line more, and given more PP time.

I understand some people have the attention span of a TikTok user and no patience, but I'm not one of them.

If you take away the empty net goals...his numbers are even worse and 3 assists ??

 

[2014nyr]

All I have to say is, Waaahhhh, Waaaahh, Waaaah! Why Alex, why?

And I will continue this tantrum until he either mans up or he's out of the league. Because right now, I honestly would not even put money on him having a long and successful career, let alone becoming what he was supposed to become.

13 points in 45 games, is not promising 5x5 numbers. I see a lot of folks saying "if he only had the PP time"..... If he only had significant PP time, then what? He's shown he'd be putting up points on the PP? Really? And comparing him to other players directly seems pretty irrelevant because no two players have the same experience and no two players develop identically. He's not Zegras, or MacKinnon or whomever. But if he also hasn't looked as good on the ice as they and others do/did either. Right now, he looks like he's developing into an ok bottom 6 guy....

I honestly do not think he has shown enough on the ice to be more optimistic. People get hyperbolic in both directions. He's not yet a bust, nor is he definitely not a bust. But I honestly do not like how he's developed so far. And I certainly don't think it's only a matter of more minutes and more PP. Maybe one day, he'll be as good as..... Lawson Crouse, just with less physical presence.

this will not age well, kids a stud

 

[Shesterkybomb]

All I have to say is, Waaahhhh, Waaaahh, Waaaah! Why Alex, why?

And I will continue this tantrum until he either mans up or he's out of the league. Because right now, I honestly would not even put money on him having a long and successful career, let alone becoming what he was supposed to become.

13 points in 45 games, is not promising 5x5 numbers. I see a lot of folks saying "if he only had the PP time"..... If he only had significant PP time, then what? He's shown he'd be putting up points on the PP? Really? And comparing him to other players directly seems pretty irrelevant because no two players have the same experience and no two players develop identically. He's not Zegras, or MacKinnon or whomever. But if he also hasn't looked as good on the ice as they and others do/did either. Right now, he looks like he's developing into an ok bottom 6 guy....

I honestly do not think he has shown enough on the ice to be more optimistic. People get hyperbolic in both directions. He's not yet a bust, nor is he definitely not a bust. But I honestly do not like how he's developed so far. And I certainly don't think it's only a matter of more minutes and more PP. Maybe one day, he'll be as good as..... Lawson Crouse, just with less physical presence.

Lame

 

[ThirdEye]

I think his general lack of ice time is more responsible for his production woes than who he plays with. There is only so much you can do playing 13 minutes a game with little to no PP time. Towards the end of last season when Quinn finally bumped up his ice time a little bit he finished with 8 points in 12 games.

Now I am not insisting that he DESERVES more ice time, but show me another player his age who's averaging 13 min a game with no PP time who's producing at a considerably greater clip. Can't imagine there are too many out there.

Also, his 3 assists in 45 games looks horrific on paper but is completely misrepresentative of his ability to make plays. He has good vision and has shown decent ability to make plays and set up teammates. Think law of averages will prevail soon in that regard

 

[bhamill]

You realize the vast majority of Kreider’s 33 goals are open net tap-ins, yes?

Literally right on the doorstep tap-ins via great passing from Zibanejad, Panarin or Fox.

Oh no. Don’t feed the trolls. Hahaha.

 

[Rangers in 7]

You realize the vast majority of Kreider’s 33 goals are open net tap-ins, yes?

Literally right on the doorstep tap-ins via great passing from Zibanejad, Panarin or Fox.

Don’t change the narrative! A few posters in here are horrible

 

[Thirty One]

Now I am not insisting that he DESERVES more ice time, but show me another player his age who's averaging 13 min a game with no PP time who's producing at a considerably greater clip. Can't imagine there are too many out there.

The comparable THEY don't want you to know:

Lafreniere: 12:07 ES, 1:22 PP, .29 Pts/GP
Seth Jarvis: 12:37 ES, 1:25 PP, .55 Pts/GP
Anton Lundell: 13:05 ES, 0:37 PP, .70 Pts/GP (ignoring his two SHP)

Jarvis was also a healthy scratch for the Hurricanes' first 7 games of the season. Imagine if that happened here.

Obviously those two are playing with better players, but the ideas that no other team is giving their young players sparing ice time and you can't develop if you're not playing 18 minutes a night need to die.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

You realize the vast majority of Kreider’s 33 goals are open net tap-ins, yes?

Literally right on the doorstep tap-ins via great passing from Zibanejad, Panarin or Fox.

No they aren’t. I just watched a compilation of all 33 goals. Very few open nets. A lot of perfect deflections, a couple snipes.


Anyway, Laf is supposed to be a playmaker. Gotta bump those assist numbers.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

All I have to say is, Waaahhhh, Waaaahh, Waaaah! Why Alex, why?

And I will continue this tantrum until he either mans up or he's out of the league. Because right now, I honestly would not even put money on him having a long and successful career, let alone becoming what he was supposed to become.

13 points in 45 games, is not promising 5x5 numbers. I see a lot of folks saying "if he only had the PP time"..... If he only had significant PP time, then what? He's shown he'd be putting up points on the PP? Really? And comparing him to other players directly seems pretty irrelevant because no two players have the same experience and no two players develop identically. He's not Zegras, or MacKinnon or whomever. But if he also hasn't looked as good on the ice as they and others do/did either. Right now, he looks like he's developing into an ok bottom 6 guy....

I honestly do not think he has shown enough on the ice to be more optimistic. People get hyperbolic in both directions. He's not yet a bust, nor is he definitely not a bust. But I honestly do not like how he's developed so far. And I certainly don't think it's only a matter of more minutes and more PP. Maybe one day, he'll be as good as..... Lawson Crouse, just with less physical presence.

 

[SA16]

Can we please stop posting irrelevant stats to make ourselves feel better?

 

[Machinehead]