GDT: A game of utmost importance: Islanders vs Hurricanes 2/16/18

[Breakdowns]

Is anyone watching postgame? Any comments from players?

 

[sabremike]

If you don't see anything wrong with tonight and yesterday, or overall about this team, you are just delusional.
I expect better than this.

I was at the Devils game and completely agree with you on that game. Team was terrible in their own end, I lost count how many times they turned the puck over last night in their own zone. I just can't agree about tonight. They absolutely deserved to win tonight but had godawful luck. They play this game 10 times the Canes win 9.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

Is anyone watching postgame? Any comments from players?

I’m not. I wasted enough of my Friday night on these schmucks already.

 

[FreshSeabass]

Is anyone watching postgame? Any comments from players?

it will just be more of "i know we played like complete shit, but we did this one thing one time correctly int the game so we just have to move on and try to bounce back tomorrow" something close to that

 

[Breakdowns]

I was at the Devils game and completely agree with you on that game. Team was terrible in their own end, I lost count how many times they turned the puck over last night in their own zone. I just can't agree about tonight. They absolutely deserved to win tonight but had godawful luck. They play this game 10 times the Canes win 9.

But we have so many games like this in one season, where we have no luck, we should have won, but we lost. I just can't see that as a positive thing anymore. It happens way too often.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

I know we're focused on the shots, but we had 13 scoring chances tonight, according to the Canes broadcast (which is almost always a bit biased toward the Canes since it's an unofficial stat). In 92 shot attempts, the Canes had 13 scoring chances. The Islanders strategy lately is clearly to give up shots from the perimeter while limiting rebounds, tips and screens. I've got to give them credit for understanding their (lack of) talent and tailoring a style they can win with.

It's certainly more interesting than a coaching staff that has one club in its bag and it uses it for every shot.

That's a good point, and it's one that was brought up in the game against the Devils. Peters appears to want the team to cycle the puck down low, eventually work it to the point, take a shot from there and cash in on any loose pucks/rebounds.

The issue with that strategy is many of our players are too small to cycle effectively, too many of our point shots end up being blocked before they come anywhere near the net, and too many of our forwards refuse to crash the net.

 

[AD Skinner]

But we have so many games like this in one season, where we have no luck, we should have won, but we lost. I just can't see that as a positive thing anymore. It happens way too often.

Bad bounces don't continue to happen over a decade. The players on this team are bad. They don't have bad luck, they have poor skill and loser mindsets fostered by stubborn, inflexible coaching and management that is more concerned with their own job security than winning

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Only if you don't follow this team at all. You can't tell me there wasn't some part of you that knew there was a good chance the game ended after that goal.

I was furious. I was livid, and oh so ready to take it out on you.

But then my timer went off, 'cause my chicken was ready. I went down, took the chicken out of the oven, got ready to steam some broccoli, sautee some onions....and while that was happening my roommate came in, who told me these wonderful opinions about the Clinton Foundation and Haiti, and cryptocurrency, and Alex Jones, and MK Ultra. Draining the swamp mighta been in there, it was a pleasant conversation.

Anyway I forgot what I was mad about, have a good night!

That's a good point, and it's one that was brought up in the game against the Devils. Peters appears to want the team to cycle the puck down low, eventually work it to the point, take a shot from there and cash in on any loose pucks/rebounds.

The issue with that strategy is many of our players are too small to cycle effectively, too many of our point shots end up being blocked before they come anywhere near the net, and too many of our forwards refuse to crash the net.

I noticed this too during the game. McGinn-Williams-Ryan spent 30 seconds trying to work it to one another along the boards, grinding it out 1v1. Then someone turned it over and the Islanders outleted easily.

That's why the Hurricanes under Peters have consistently had good advanced stats, but don't get the scoring that should come from that. They spend so much time on the opposing teams' boards, gunking up the game (also they have a pretty good zone defense when everyone is playing correctly, it seems if one guy is out of position everything goes to crap).

Of course the real problem is that guys like Ryan, Stempniak, Williams, McGinn, Rask, Skinner don't have above average size, speed or individual talent (Skinner is a wild card), ie a personel problem.

Also I noticed that few Hurricanes' forwards can cleanly receive the puck along the boards when the player on the opposite side whips it around.

 

[Negan4Coach]

That's a good point, and it's one that was brought up in the game against the Devils. Peters appears to want the team to cycle the puck down low, eventually work it to the point, take a shot from there and cash in on any loose pucks/rebounds.

The issue with that strategy is many of our players are too small to cycle effectively, too many of our point shots end up being blocked before they come anywhere near the net, and too many of our forwards refuse to crash the net.

The cycle the puck down low worked for a while, (and seemed great after years of dump and chase) until it didn't. It gives the other guys the time to just clog up the slot. Then what do you do? Does Lindholm have the chops to snipe from the half wall?

 

[hurricure]

It was a nice week of sitting in a playoff spot... but did we really think it was going to be different this time... Canes always gotta Cane

 

[Negan4Coach]

I was furious. I was livid, and oh so ready to take it out on you.

But then my timer went off, 'cause my chicken was ready. I went down, took the chicken out of the oven, got ready to steam some broccoli, sautee some onions....and while that was happening my roommate came in, who told me these wonderful opinions about the Clinton Foundation and Haiti, and cryptocurrency, and Alex Jones, and MK Ultra. Draining the swamp mighta been in there, it was a pleasant conversation.

Anyway I forgot what I was mad about, have a good night!

I remember those days. Things get better. You stop worrying about the Illuminati, and start worrying about what middle school your daughter got accepted to.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Losers.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

I never post on this board but often lurk and the amount of negativity is insane. Yes losing to the Isles and Devils b2b nights hurts our playoffs chances and they should not be losing to teams like the Isles at home but its hockey and there's a lot of variance. The Canes dominated this game from an analytic stand point and have been a top 10 team since the new year (in terms of analytics) The isles will not make the playoffs they're horrible so imo it's going to come down between the Jackets and Canes. The Jackets have a really tough remaining schedule. Anyone giving up on this team is just lost. They will be playing meaningful games all the way up until game 82 and imo will still make the playoffs.

Counterpoint: go f*** yourself. After paying for nine years of excuses and bullshit and millions of dollars under the cap and bad puck luck and we like our group, I've earned the right to be as negative as I f***ing like.

This team is stealing our time and our money. They put 44 shots on an .880 goalie. The expected rate of return should be five f***ing goals. But not for this team! Because This Is Hurricanes Hockey. And it f***ing sucks.

 

[Breakdowns]

Any Peters comments yet? I want see his new excuse

 

[Navin R Slavin]

But thanks for sharing your opinions with us, Mr. Tulsky. While we've got you here, can you explain to us how it's possible to have a negative PDO for like an entire decade? Is this part of that wacky variance we hear so much about?

 

[Joe McGrath]

But thanks for sharing your opinions with us, Mr. Tulsky. While we've got you here, can you explain to us how it's possible to have a negative PDO for like an entire decade? Is this part of that wacky variance we hear so much about?

I mean it’s really simple. Below average goaltending coupled with below average shooters.

 

[Svechhammer]

This night did nothing but drive home just how awful our offensive talent is as a whole. A whole bunch of set up guys, painfully few finishers. 44 shots on goal and few forced the goalie to really work for the save. Not gonna win many games when the bulk of the shots are at the chest. Which is odd, because against the Canucks the other night, the team was making a point of shooting at the corners (specifically blocker side high) and tonight, there was no obvious effort to place shots.

And both goals tonight (ignoring the empty net) were results of poor, poor play on our part. The first, Cam should have had. Didn't look like anything special in the arena, he just missed it. The second was all on Faulk flubbing the puck creating the breakaway. Frustrating to lose a game like that.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

I mean it’s really simple. Below average goaltending coupled with below average shooters.

No, no. It's just bad luck. Variance! Lots of variance.

 

[Joe McGrath]

At this point now that WC1 spot is completely unattainable does it make any sense to go for WC2? Is the gate from the 2 playoff games they lose by 7 to the Lightning or Bruins worth that much?

 

[Joe McGrath]

No, no. It's just bad luck. Variance! Lots of variance.

I don’t think anyone is stupid enough to buy that at this point.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

You just don't understand the fancystats, which clearly indicate that we're due for a 20 game Billy Beane-esque Moneyball winning streak.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

At this point now that WC1 spot is completely unattainable does it make any sense to go for WC2? Is the gate from the 2 playoff games they lose by 7 to the Lightning or Bruins worth that much?

I'd be ecstatic to get swept in the first round. Because it means they finally broke the streak.

But it's not going to happen.

 

[Svechhammer]

I'd be ecstatic to get swept in the first round. Because it means they finally broke the streak.

But it's not going to happen.

Which seed would allow us to play the Washington "early exit" Capitals?

That's the one I would want. If we make it, of course

 

[Blueline Bomber]

They’re all big games now, I think,” Skinner said. “Obviously, there’s a little bit added sort of importance when you’re trying to take two points from someone your sort of in the mix with, but you need to pick up points as much as you can. … We’ll be ready.”

Jeff, why do I not believe you?

 

[Novacane]

We now need 15-8-0 to hit 93 points. Or:

14-7-2
13-6-4
12-5-6
11-4-8
10-3-10
9-2-12
8-1-14
7-0-16

AKA RIP making the playoffs