Post-Game Talk: #69 | Leafs at Flyers | March 19, 2024 | Flyers win 4-3

[ajgoal]

Torts is trying to fracture the room, I can't grasp how posters can be so excited about this.

Win , lose or tie, he is setting this up for massive failure this year and the future. Unless they plan to buyout Couts, this 100% ends bad.

When Couts and his agent need to speak about it, its a mess.

I missed the agent bit. What was said?

 

[thedjpd]

That's a very Torts-friendly way of saying "every time he's left, the players were so jazzed that he was gone that they started playing better."

Also been disproven multiple times because it’s not true.

 

[BernieParent]

Nice to beat the Leafs, but, I mean... I watched the game. It wasn't exactly a clean or convincing win.

Toronto looked disinterested. No flow, could hardly move the puck for long stretches, defense was optional, and bad Samsonov was in the building.

There are a lot of hardworking guys also to be found paving the local roads. Thankfully they also wear orange.

In case I don’t get my fix or Flyers culture from the on ice product.

Funny how the traffic cone symbol is completely cross-platform.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

While Torts absolutely deserves consideration for the Adams, I wouldn't go so far as to say shoo-in; Rick Tocchet says hi.

Fair enough. I still think Torts wins though.

 

[bennysflyers16]

I missed the agent bit. What was said?

"Sean wont learn anything from being in the bleachers. "

 

[freakydallas13]

The guy is a short shelf life, sure, but every place he’s gone he’s left it better than when he found it.

Do Tortelingus Dingus simps always block Torts' Vancouver tenure out of their memories, or what?

 

[bennysflyers16]

Fair enough. I still think Torts wins though.

Maurice
Tocchet
Bowness

Thats my top 3

 

[Beef Invictus]

There have been good wins this year. I get the victory laps after those. But after a game where the Flyers were outplayed by a team that looked like they took this game for granted?

 

[freakydallas13]

Mr. Accountabilibuddy didn’t pay his own fine a few weeks ago. “Accountability for thee, but not for me.”

Maybe I’m a weirdo, but when I f*** up I hold myself accountable and take care of it myself.

He probably doesn't see himself as being accountable for coaching because a lot of the time he just chooses not to coach.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

Maurice
Tocchet
Bowness

Thats my top 3

I think Torts is (or should be) favored over Bowness and Maurice. Tocchet I honestly forgot about so I can see him being put ahead of Torts.

 

[freakydallas13]

There have been good wins this year. I get the victory laps after those. But after a game where the Flyers were outplayed by a team that looked like they took this game for granted?

Every Flyers win is a victory lap in their eyes.

 

[FromOyVey2Matvei]

Torts is trying to fracture the room, I can't grasp how posters can be so excited about this.

Win , lose or tie, he is setting this up for massive failure this year and the future. Unless they plan to buyout Couts, this 100% ends bad.

When Couts and his agent need to speak about it, its a mess.

I don’t think it’s that deep. Or anywhere close to that deep. Torts didn’t like the way Coots was playing and he wanted a pissed off Coots. I think he’s got that now.

Again, I’m not a big fan of this style of “leadership”. I think it’s fairly antiquated and will generally fail an organization in the long run. But you’re naive if you don’t think it can be (and has proven to be) effective in the short-medium term. And most coaches are short-lived anyway.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

"Sean wont learn anything from being in the bleachers. "

Ghost says hello and laughs...

 

[bennysflyers16]

I don’t think it’s that deep. Or anywhere close to that deep. Torts didn’t like the way Coots was playing and he wanted a pissed off Coots. I think he’s got that now.

Again, I’m not a big fan of this style of “leadership”. I think it’s fairly antiquated and will generally fail an organization in the long run. But you’re naive if you don’t think it can be (and has proven to be) effective in the short-medium term. And most coaches are short-lived anyway.

Can't disagree more. Couts was still playing good defensively and his been saddled with our worst wingers lately. Expecting offense while with them is moronic.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I fought it all season. They should have sold everything they could. They should be a bottom of the standings team. They aren't. They are looking like a playoff team and have for pretty much the entire season. Do I think this team is built for a deep run or will be better next year than they are this year? Of course not.

But at this point what are we even complaining about? The team is exceeding expectations by miles. Torts is basically a shoe-in for coach of the year and deservedly so, even if he is mean to your favorite player and nice to your least favorite player (I know, I know, he hates Morgan Frost and doesn't want players to play with skill). The young kids are going to get playoff experience (I know, I know, that doesn't matter they'd be better off losing). They have cap space and four picks int he first two rounds of the next two drafts (I know, I know, they could have more and they will draft veterans instead of draft eligible players). Embrace it. This team is better than we thought and Torts is a better coach than we thought. In the offseason we can get back to hating this team but for now, let's see how far this team can go.

They're on course to remain in the Montreal Hell for years to come. Make playoffs occasionally (not impressive as bad teams make it every year) and then have no chance of winning.

 

[FromOyVey2Matvei]

There have been good wins this year. I get the victory laps after those. But after a game where the Flyers were outplayed by a team that looked like they took this game for granted?

Were they really outplayed? From inside the building, it felt like we were thoroughly outplaying Toronto for the bulk of the first 2 periods. A brutal penalty call followed by a powerplay goal and “playing the score” (read as “Tortleshell”) turned the tide in the 3rd, but I think they deserved that win.

While Nylander was probably the most dangerous individual player, I thought Tippett-Frost-Konecny was probably the most dominant line from either team and inexplicably, Torts refused to play them as we were trying to “hang on” down the stretch, electing to go with his “forechecking” (read as “lose a faceoff then shell up and block shots”) lines instead.

 

[dragonoffrost]

To be fair, the Tortleshell started in the second when they were up 2-0. They just happened to score one more before the Leafs found their rhythm...

Lol I read that as Tortiseshell

 

[VladDrag]

Were they really outplayed? From inside the building, it felt like we were thoroughly outplaying Toronto for the bulk of the first 2 periods. A brutal penalty call followed by a powerplay goal and “playing the score” (read as “Tortleshell”) turned the tide in the 3rd, but I think they deserved that win.

While Nylander was probably the most dangerous individual player, I thought Tippett-Frost-Konecny was probably the most dominant line from either team and inexplicably, Torts refused to play them as we were trying to “hang on” down the stretch, electing to go with his “forechecking” (read as “lose a faceoff then shell up and block shots”) lines instead.

Yes, they did get outplayed.

 

[CerpinTaxt]

I fought it all season. They should have sold everything they could. They should be a bottom of the standings team. They aren't. They are looking like a playoff team and have for pretty much the entire season. Do I think this team is built for a deep run or will be better next year than they are this year? Of course not.

But at this point what are we even complaining about? The team is exceeding expectations by miles. Torts is basically a shoe-in for coach of the year and deservedly so, even if he is mean to your favorite player and nice to your least favorite player (I know, I know, he hates Morgan Frost and doesn't want players to play with skill). The young kids are going to get playoff experience (I know, I know, that doesn't matter they'd be better off losing). They have cap space and four picks int he first two rounds of the next two drafts (I know, I know, they could have more and they will draft veterans instead of draft eligible players). Embrace it. This team is better than we thought and Torts is a better coach than we thought. In the offseason we can get back to hating this team but for now, let's see how far this team can go.

You can be happy all you want about this season but don't be dismissive about the concerns that a lot of posters have about the current state of the team. At the end of your first paragraph you admitted that you don't think the team is built for a deep run or that they will be better off next year, and then proceeded to say at this point what are we complaining about. That is exactly what we are complaining about.

Some posters would like a team that is capable of having deep playoff runs and having a decent chance at winning the cup and not just some long shot "get in and we will see" mentality and it's lame to complain about the people who aren't "enjoying the wins" who have valid reasons not to enjoy the wins

 

[dragonoffrost]

While Torts absolutely deserves consideration for the Adams, I wouldn't go so far as to say shoo-in; Rick Tocchet says hi.

As does Carbery of Washington.

 

[FromOyVey2Matvei]

Yes, they did get outplayed.

Advanced stats are really great, but situations matter. If you outplay a team to a 3-0 lead (as the flyers did) and then shell up in the 3rd (which the flyers also did), it’s expected that the xGoals might favor the other team. But you wouldn’t have been playing that way if the actual score wasn’t what it was.

I’d prefer if we didn’t play that way in the first place and continued to play our game instead of going hyper-conservative, but Torts gonna Torts.

I think they deserved that win.

 

[TB87]

Some posters would like a team that is capable of having deep playoff runs and having a decent chance at winning the cup and not just some long shot "get in and we will see" mentality and it's lame to complain about the people who aren't "enjoying the wins" who have valid reasons not to enjoy the wins

This! 100% this. So sick and tired of being potential 1st RD playoff fodder for great teams. I’d prefer the Flyers be the great team in that scenario.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

It feels like a good time to mention that Tortorella won the Adams in his 2nd year in Columbus.

For the record, I'd like to point out that I don't and did not think he's a bad coach. He's a good coach who eventually commits ritual suicide on weird hills. Which, well, look around. And the org seems to think that last bit is a positive, which is worrisome.

 

[FromOyVey2Matvei]

Can't disagree more. Couts was still playing good defensively and his been saddled with our worst wingers lately. Expecting offense while with them is moronic.

There have been several articles about how the quality of Coots play has tanked since December. The eye test works too. I agree he’s still been “fine” defensively, but this is about way more than just his linemates.

Of course, that begs the question “why name him captain now?” when his play was slipping for the better part of 2 months. But that’s a different discussion.

At any rate, I don’t expect a one time public flogging (regardless of whether it was necessary or not) to end Coots 12 year mutual love affair with this team.

It’s just Torts pulling a lever the same way he has all throughout his tenure. There’s no deep meaning or evil plan to fracture the locker room or cast Couturier out behind it.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

They're on course to remain in the Montreal Hell for years to come. Make playoffs occasionally (not impressive as bad teams make it every year) and then have no chance of winning.

cant you just enjoy the wins !!!