Speculation: 2nd round. Who you want?

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  1. The Great Schlemko

    The Great Schlemko "The Food Will Be Better"

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    Definitely not trading both of them unless Kotkaniemi/Smith is available.
     
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    As long as we aren’t thinking we are getting a steal when the other scouts are smarter than us like Fucale and Collberg
     
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    Either 4 best skilled C's available...

    Or 4x BPA

    C approach would be a tacit acceptance of our long standing need & failure to draft top 6 C's and playing odds of landing the 2nd round C that comes out of the 18 draft
     
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    Fucale was always a dumb selection, the ratio of NHL-caliber goalies vs skaters drafted in the late rounds is significantly higher, enough to wait till much later in the draft.

    And I don't mind missing on the likes of Collberg, because when they do hit you get players that are very hard to acquire otherwise. When they don't, they still have enough upside to hold some value, as we saw with the Vanek trade.
     
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    I think he goes late 1st, probably to one of the Rangers picks. I've seen him ranked as high as 12. He could go anywhere really.
     
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    The Great Schlemko "The Food Will Be Better"

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    Pretty positive that we trade at least one 2nd. I honestly wouldn't even bother trading our 2nds unless someone is stupidly falling. Prospect pool isn't good, might as well have as many chances to hit some good prospects as possible.
     
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    If we see that the pool we're drafting from is too redundant or we've missed out on too many players, why not trade the 2nd for a 2nd next year. Wouldn't be a bad option.
     
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    The Great Schlemko "The Food Will Be Better"

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    If I had more faith in our drafting and development, I would agree with you.
     
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    For greater perspective:
    • Johnny Tychonick: Defence, 6', 173 lbs., shoots left.
    • Ty Dellandrea: Center, 6', 190 lbs., shoots right.
    • Rasmus Sandin: Defence, 5'11, 183 lbs., shoots left.
    • Jesse Ylonen: RW, 6', 167, 167 lbs., shoots right.
    • Cole Fonstad: Center, 5'10, 157 lbs., shoots left.
    • Jake Wise: Center, 5'10, 189 lbs., shoots left.
    • Blake McLaughlin: LW, 6', 162 lbs., shoots left.
    • Filip Hallander: Center, 5'11, 176 lbs., shoots left.
    • Bulat Shafigullin: LW, 6'1, 163 lbs., shoots left.
    • Jonatan Berggren: RW, 5'10, 181 lbs., shoots left.
    • Kyle Topping: Center, 5'11, 185 lbs., shoots left.
    • Alexander Alexeyev: Defence, 6'3, 200, shoots left.
    • Cameron Hillis: Center, 5'10", 168, shoots right.

    I don't think I've ever seen a prospect list where more than half are below 6 ft. tall. And the weights on a lot of these players are light.

    I understand where the league is trending and how it's all about hockey IQ, speed, talent. However, you still need an asset mix.

    Good news is that there are at least 6 Centers in this list however, I have no idea how they rank against each other.

    Also, do you see them all as targets no matter which 2nd round pick we're using? Or are some more appropriate for the early 2 2nd rounders vs. the late 2 2nd rounders?

    For those needing a refresher, full draft list here: 2018 NHL Entry Draft Pending Transactions

    In the 2nd round, Habs own the 4th, 7th, 25th and 28th.

    Thanks in advance.
     
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    The Great Schlemko "The Food Will Be Better"

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    People might disagree with my list, but I wan to gamble on these kinds of guys.

    Wise
    Dellandrea
    Topping
    Hillis

    I am pretty sure the other guys play wing.

    Only guys I would want with our later 2nds are Hillis, Topping, Fonstad and Mclaughlin. Happy with others for our better 2nds.
     
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    Are you saying the positions attributed to some of the players, are incorrect? I've used HockeyDB for most. The only one that wasn't ready available, was my favorite name on the list, Bulat -- I lifted it off a twitter video. He's listed simply as a "Forward" on a couple of sites.
     
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    The Great Schlemko "The Food Will Be Better"

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    Sometimes they are wrong. I'm not too sure to be honest.
     
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    TGS: How about these guys that were named earlier in the thread, but who are not on your list:

    Nils Lundkvist
    Jack McBain
    Nicolas Beaudin
    Liam Foudy
    Jakub Lauko
    Niklas Nordgren
     
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    I've heard of exaggerations in respect of vitals, like height and weight, but not position played or handedness.
     
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    The Great Schlemko "The Food Will Be Better"

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    They do make mistakes. Tkachuk is listed as C/LW even though he is a winger.
     
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    The Great Schlemko "The Food Will Be Better"

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    I didn't include Lundkvist because I would be pretty surprised if he makes it to our 2nd. Not too high on Lauko nor Nordgren. Others are fine for me for the later 2nds.
     
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    Whose ranking list do we trust for this stuff?
     
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    Don't you love it how much latitude there could be from one poster to another or one expert vs. another the farther we get away from the first round?

    There is so much risk involved and yet some teams manage to make calculated moves that pay off. Such a delicate balancing act, dealing with players so young. I wish we had better talent evaluators for that reason alone -- drafting mistakes often lead to expensive trades and player signings down the line. It's critical to have the best decision-making possible, which worries me unless someone new and with a proven track record is added to the drafting contingent -- which is not likely this year.

    If the Bouchard rumors are true, wouldn't he be like Toronto's Hunter but instead of the OHL, Bouchard would be an asset for the Q?

    Talk about the Q, I heard Leroux name some names from the Q that could be available for the Habs and which he claims would be appropriate where the Habs are selecting in the 2nd round. Any idea who they might be?
     
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    Errbody. I want them all.

    But more seriously, you just have to make your list and whoever falls, falls. I think NHL draft teams can do better, since they likely know what the other teams lists roughly look like. Or they probably do for specific prospects.
     
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    They can see the future after we draft him and make him a centre whether he likes it or not

    And whether he's good at it or not too:laugh:

    If we don't take a 'smaller' D in the 1st Beaudin might be a good gamble with one of our late 2nds, have seen him ranked early 3rd in some mocks tho
     
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    Not too sure, I just go about what I read. I'd like to know as well.
    Dobson for sure
     
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    The Great Schlemko "The Food Will Be Better"

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    NHL draft teams can try to do better than me. Key word is try.
     
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    Could be, seems like he's got a good mind for the game and been around the Q to know enough. But I don't know much else about him. Perhaps @Whitesnake could fill us in here?

    Nicolas Beaudin, depending on who's left on the board could be an option with our later 2nd. High IQ PMD on the smaller side, skating could be better but has the ability to dictate the play. I like him. Has been doing well in the playoffs. Plays for Ducharme in Drummondville.

    Other name he might've mentioned, Xavier Bernard, big stay at home defenseman with some decent tools. More of a 3rd rounder.
     
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    Lundkvist is trade up territory for me.

    Niklas Nordgren is extremely tiny, and not a terribly great skater. ND for me.
     
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    If we want a tiny guy, go for Dudas. He is actually good.
     

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