Speculation: 2nd round. Who you want?

Discussion in 'Montreal Canadiens' started by Mathew11, Apr 15, 2018.

  1. Runner77

    Runner77 **********************************************

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2012
    Messages:
    31,343
    Likes Received:
    20,951
    Trophy Points:
    190
    Why would we? The org. is size-challenged as it is. Unless it's the one or two players who have through the roof upside. Within the same ranking tier, I'd really be surprised if the top ranked are constantly diminutives that barely tip the scale at 155 lbs.
     
  2. The Great Schlemko

    The Great Schlemko "The Food Will Be Better"

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2015
    Messages:
    20,171
    Likes Received:
    11,436
    Trophy Points:
    141
    Rather than gambling on a tiny guy like Nordgren, I would rather gamble on a tiny guy like Dudas instead. Obviously we wouldn't be going after tiny players as a quality, but if we do, choose the ones that have upside.
     
    Runner77 likes this.
  3. NotProkofievian

    NotProkofievian Registered User

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2011
    Messages:
    13,105
    Likes Received:
    5,360
    Trophy Points:
    156
    Watching the playoff games last night made me K'Andre Tkurious.
     
    Stive Morgan likes this.
  4. Runner77

    Runner77 **********************************************

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2012
    Messages:
    31,343
    Likes Received:
    20,951
    Trophy Points:
    190
    Since the Habs' first pick in the 2nd round is so close to an end of first round pick, wouldn't that be a prime spot for fallers? I wonder the likelihood of some GMs going off the charts and creating an opening.

    Of course, an opening only matters if we're able to recognize that it's there.
     
  5. The Great Schlemko

    The Great Schlemko "The Food Will Be Better"

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2015
    Messages:
    20,171
    Likes Received:
    11,436
    Trophy Points:
    141
    It's because he has been rising all year, don't see why he would be there at our pick. I would be surprised.
     
    Runner77 likes this.
  6. G0bias

    G0bias B L O O D L I N E S

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2007
    Messages:
    5,661
    Likes Received:
    3,473
    Trophy Points:
    156
    Location:
    Montreal
    Of course if you have the choice between a similarly skilled player who's big enough that there's not the same level of concern he survives in the NHL, then you go with him. But often times, it's the smaller players that tend to fall through the cracks. ie; Debrincat, Girard.

    You can always then trade some to balance it out with bigger players.
     
    ottawa and The Great Schlemko like this.
  7. BobbyShehan

    BobbyShehan Registered User

    Joined:
    May 29, 2008
    Messages:
    710
    Likes Received:
    35
    Trophy Points:
    81
    Location:
    NJ
    I think there's a good chance that Jake Wise will still be on the board for the first few picks in the 2nd. He's been closely watched since he was 14 and scouts have a tendency to overthink prospects. Bottom line is that he's a highly skilled C with great skating who struggled a bit last year, got injured and then came back as an offensive threat since January. He's not a physical force but he's solid on his skates and controls the puck at high speed. Might be the best pure center in this draft.
     
    Whalers Fan and Stive Morgan like this.
  8. NotProkofievian

    NotProkofievian Registered User

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2011
    Messages:
    13,105
    Likes Received:
    5,360
    Trophy Points:
    156
    He's easily the biggest riser this year. Quite recently many rankings either had him unranked, or ranked absurdly low. He hadn't played in an international tournament before this year's 5 nations. If we're being serious, that means a lot of people just didn't see him. With the U18 tournament coming up the cat will be out of the bag soon, if not already: McKeen's has him 27th, Hockeyprospect.com has him 19th. He was unranked in Bob's midterm, though, so maybe there's hope.
     
  9. WeThreeKings

    WeThreeKings #1 Centre

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2006
    Messages:
    61,974
    Likes Received:
    11,289
    Trophy Points:
    186
    Location:
    Halifax
    I'll tell ya when I know who's available
     
  10. Vachon23

    Vachon23 Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2015
    Messages:
    1,326
    Likes Received:
    388
    Trophy Points:
    79
    Jake Wise !
     
    Whalers Fan likes this.
  11. Darz

    Darz Registered User

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2002
    Messages:
    15,643
    Likes Received:
    94
    Trophy Points:
    176
    Location:
    Where's the ANY key?
    Home Page:
    I hope they are all the best available player at the time of the pick.

    Allow Timmins and his staff to pick the players they want without interference. If that happens I predict in a couple/few years we will be very happy with the teams choices. I don't want to see the organization stress that we need to pick a bunch of centres or dmen, or whatever and reach on picks that down the road will not look good.
     
    admiralcadillac likes this.
  12. Habs Icing

    Habs Icing Formerly Onice

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2004
    Messages:
    10,782
    Likes Received:
    1,548
    Trophy Points:
    169
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Filmmaker
    Location:
    Montreal
    You can't have one without the other.
     
    Bloumeister likes this.
  13. Scriptor

    Scriptor Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2014
    Messages:
    1,944
    Likes Received:
    179
    Trophy Points:
    66
    Same here. A clear top-10 still available around early 20s. However, that would have to be a two for one for me to move up: BPA and TEAM NEED.

    Example: Quinn Hughes (ranked #9) still available as a LHD in the early 20s. MON might want to move up to land him before another team picks him up.

    I'd even consider moving up for Wahlstrom (ranked #7) if he slides down enough. He's listed as a RW, but of all the wingers that have been misrepresented as also being Cs, I believe he has the most upside to play that position as well, more than a Tkachuk, for example.
     
  14. Scriptor

    Scriptor Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2014
    Messages:
    1,944
    Likes Received:
    179
    Trophy Points:
    66
    Agreed. Let them pick the best that are available. At even value, go for need and size above no need and no size. That doesn't mean to reach for a position of need with size that has little or less actual talent.
     
  15. Vachon23

    Vachon23 Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2015
    Messages:
    1,326
    Likes Received:
    388
    Trophy Points:
    79
    I like Jack Drury to
     
  16. G0bias

    G0bias B L O O D L I N E S

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2007
    Messages:
    5,661
    Likes Received:
    3,473
    Trophy Points:
    156
    Location:
    Montreal
    This. Otherwise you're looking at an awfully long list of players, who some may or may not have gone in the first. And then there's fallers and reaches that screw everything up.

    I have about 10 guys in my top30 list who agencies have ranked more often in the 2nd, sometimes third, then they have in the 1st.
     
    WeThreeKings likes this.
  17. Video Coach

    Video Coach Registered User

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2005
    Messages:
    1,933
    Likes Received:
    58
    Trophy Points:
    101
    I've said it before and I'll say it again - I hope they swing for the fences with these 2nd rounders. We don't need guys that are surefire bottom 6 NHLers. We have a GM who is very good at acquiring bottom 6/bottom pair talent. We need to be picking guys who have top end potential. We need a huge win in the 2nd round, even if it's just one guy of the 4 who makes it thru. We need a Bergeron/Subban/Kucherov/Weber-level player with one of those picks.

    I don't watch these guys enough to know who that might be but I hope this is our philosophy. Often top-end talent drops because of issues like skating, "attitude", size, etc. These things can be overcome. We need 2-3 future core players from this draft.
     
  18. Runner77

    Runner77 **********************************************

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2012
    Messages:
    31,343
    Likes Received:
    20,951
    Trophy Points:
    190
    Hey W3K, was hoping to read you on the list of players that The Great Schlemko provided. How many of those are on your list of 2nd rounders we should be targeting?
     
  19. RoyalHabs

    RoyalHabs No chance but to rebuild with Bergevin

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2014
    Messages:
    147
    Likes Received:
    43
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Granby
    Give me

    Wise
    Sandin
    Alexeyev
    Berggren
     
    Aldo Montoya likes this.
  20. yianik

    yianik Registered User

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2009
    Messages:
    6,040
    Likes Received:
    1,193
    Trophy Points:
    109
    But do chip in with the negatives, 2nd rounders usually for a reason.
     
  21. Laurentide

    Laurentide Registered User

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2018
    Messages:
    1,807
    Likes Received:
    1,579
    Trophy Points:
    81
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    New Westminster, BC
    Well, since we're probably going to take "Attitude" with our first rounder, I'd like to see us target "Ka-RACT-ter" and "Rispeck" with our 2 second rounders.
     
  22. WeThreeKings

    WeThreeKings #1 Centre

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2006
    Messages:
    61,974
    Likes Received:
    11,289
    Trophy Points:
    186
    Location:
    Halifax
    I'll cherry pick some players, with my own rankings next to them, based on who could maybe be available in the late 1st/2nd

    16. Filip Hallander LW Allsvenskan
    17. Jacob Olofsson C Allsvenskan
    18. Rasmus Sandin D OHL
    19. Alexander Alexeyev D WHL
    20. Nils Lundkvist D SHL
    21. Bulat Shaffigullin F KHL
    28. Ruslan Iskhakov F MHL
    29. Jonathan Berggren C/RW SHL
    30. Ty Dellandrea C OHL
    31. Blake McLaughlin C USHL
    32. Johnny Tychonick D BCHL
    34. Jett Woo D WHL
    36. Alexander Khovanov C QMJHL
    37. Dominik Bokk RW SEL
    38. Philipp Kurashev C QMJHL
    39. Cole Fonstad C WHL
    40. Cameron Hillis C OHL
    41. Ivan Morozov C MHL
    42. Danila Zhuravlyov D MHL
    43. Semyon Der-Arguchintsev C OHL
    44. Jake Wise C USHL
    45. Calen Addison D WHL
    47. Jacob Ragnarsson D Allsvenskan
    48. Jesse Ylonen RW FEL
    49. Liam Foudy C OHL
    50. Jacob Bernard-Docker D BCHL
    51. Stanislav Demin D BCHL
    52. Albin Eriksson LW SHL
    53. Jan Jenik F Cze
    54. Milos Roman C WHL
    55. Axel Andersson D SuperElit
    56. Niklas Nordgren RW FEL
    57. David Gustafsson C SHL
    58. Matej Pekar C USHL
    59. Jack Drury C USHL
    60. Tyler Madden C USHL
    61. Eric Florchuk C WHL
    62. Alexander Steeves RW/C USHL

    The rest are pretty much 3rd round grades.
     
    Runner77 and The Great Schlemko like this.
  23. The Great Schlemko

    The Great Schlemko "The Food Will Be Better"

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2015
    Messages:
    20,171
    Likes Received:
    11,436
    Trophy Points:
    141
    We absolutely have to gamble on Steeves. Very good production.
     
  24. WeThreeKings

    WeThreeKings #1 Centre

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2006
    Messages:
    61,974
    Likes Received:
    11,289
    Trophy Points:
    186
    Location:
    Halifax
    They should be fans of him. He plays a heavy game and has a very good shot. He's definitely the new breed of Power Forward.
     
    Runner77 likes this.
  25. The Great Schlemko

    The Great Schlemko "The Food Will Be Better"

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2015
    Messages:
    20,171
    Likes Received:
    11,436
    Trophy Points:
    141
    I think he will be there in the 4th. Hopefully we snag him and Dudas with our early ones.
     

Share This Page

monitoring_string = "358c248ada348a047a4b9bb27a146148"