GDT: #26 Flyers @ Devils, 7 PM, MSG+2

[glenwo2]

Glad to know the painful loss from last night carried over into my mood today. Just don't understand why we rarely show up for home games. Stage fright in front of the home crowd? Not sure what was up with Greene last night but he played like complete trash. I guess he gets a free pass since he rarely has a bad game. One things for sure, Schlemko is a million times better than Gelinas. What gets me is that Hynes said he was "Proud" of the teams effort. Not sure how playing 20 minutes of an entire games warrants someones praise...

What did you expect him to say to the MEDIA? That his team sucked royally and he's going to verbally destroy them in the locker-room after this presser is over? While that might sound like it would make a great soundbite, that's not how a coach(any coach in any professional sports league) should be or act.

I'm sure he had plenty of not-so-nice things to say to his players BEHIND CLOSED DOORS that he keeps a lid on whenever he is with the TG's and Chere's of the world.

 

[liquid1988]

What did you expect him to say to the MEDIA? That his team sucked royally and he's going to verbally destroy them in the locker-room after this presser is over? While that might sound like it would make a great soundbite, that's not how a coach(any coach in any professional sports league) should be or act.

I'm sure he had plenty of not-so-nice things to say to his players BEHIND CLOSED DOORS that he keeps a lid on whenever he is with the TG's and Chere's of the world.

Tell that to Torts

 

[Devil X]

I think the proud comment was more about how they fought on a night they clearly didnt have there best. Greene played bad, Elias didnt look good at all, Palmieri played bad, Henrique didnt do crap, Matteau might have been the best forward on the ice beside Camm. I think that it was clear they didnt have their best but they fought and got a point.

I believe that was the proud part of things. When you have a game when your best forwards are Farnham, Kennedy, Matteau, Camm, and Gio you should be damn proud your team gets a point.

 

[ForeverJerseyGirl]

On Matteau, he did have a very good game. The best of the season by far for him. He did a lot of the things I'd like to see him do. I'm pleased with what I saw from him against Philly. If he can find a way to bring those elements consistently, he could contribute to this team, not as any sort of star player, but as a solid, gritty type. I want to see more games like this from him, and less like his early games this season where he took a lot of dumb penalties and did not much else. The past two games have been pretty nice showings for him, so hopefully he can keep that up.

As far as Hynes goes, I think the gist of his comment was more that he was proud of the team battling through a game that was clearly a rough one and getting a point out of it, which I sort of understand, since if we had managed to win in OT, we'd probably be much less miffed by this game, and sort of forget the early lackluster effort in the glow of the comeback victory. Even in a game like last night, the team did show more mental toughness than they probably would've last year--because chances are last year's team doesn't score to take the game to OT--but obviously the ghost act for two periods on home ice is getting a bit old. Hopefully Hynes will address that in the locker room even if he didn't in the press conference. This team has to rally for the next game against the Panthers. It will have some serious bearing on whether we have any real shot at the second wild card slot in the East. A very important game where the Devils will have no excuse for slacking off in the early going of the game.

I am, of course, pleased that the team is in a position in December to be battling for that playoff spot, but with that, comes some expectation by the players to try to keep the team in that position. It would be one thing dropping games to team's like Montreal that are clearly superior, but when we manage to take 3 out of 4 possible points in a home and home, it's annoying to not be able to get 2 points out of a game against Philly. And the home crowd would like to see some wins. So far they haven't been treated to many at the Rock, which is a shame. This season, by and large, has gone better than anyone expected, but that raises the bar that this team is expected to perform at. That's a good thing, but it can also be frustrating when the team fails to live up to the new standards.

We'll see where all this goes, but next game should be an important one. I hope to see a complete effort at least from all the Devils. I want to see a win, but I also want to see a full game of work from them.

 

[tr83]

Well Tom was getting a little instigator-ish pointing out on Twitter last night people ripped Pete for comments like that

Personally I'll give Hynes the benefit of the doubt on his comments last night since he doesn't always sugarcoat it like Pete did his last couple years.

Hynes is new. If he's 2.5 years into the coaching gig and nothing has gotten better, then yeah, John will deserve getting ripped by fans.

It just looked like they couldn't complete a pass or do the little things right last night. They were also getting way to fancy for my liking, something they tend to do at home for whatever reason.

 

[glenwo2]

Tell that to Torts

Hynes is not Torts.

 

[ForeverJerseyGirl]

Whether or not it was fair, Pete probably also got ripped by fans because the Devils were so awful last season. It's hard to be a bottom feeder and then listen to Pete talking about tough buildings and bad bounces after almost every loss. Hynes is still seen as getting this team to overachieve overall (and he normally varies his press conference comments more), so I think he gets more leeway from fans. At least he gets more leeway from me right now.

 

[NJDevils1]

love the dads coming on the trip. seversons dad is hilarious
so happy theyre doing new stuff like this now

 

[ForeverJerseyGirl]

Hynes is not Torts.

Thank heavens. Torts is such an embarrassment to whatever franchise he works for. I'm not a Torts fan.

 

[Zippy316]

I think the proud comment was more about how they fought on a night they clearly didnt have there best. Greene played bad, Elias didnt look good at all, Palmieri played bad, Henrique didnt do crap, Matteau might have been the best forward on the ice beside Camm. I think that it was clear they didnt have their best but they fought and got a point.

I believe that was the proud part of things. When you have a game when your best forwards are Farnham, Kennedy, Matteau, Camm, and Gio you should be damn proud your team gets a point.

This and it was the second game of a back to back. They clearly did not look fresh out there early on and I'm sure Hynes knows that. As much as you want your team to play a strong game every night, it can't happen over 82 games. Plus, they just played a game last night where Zajac was hurt and everyone played more then they usually do, then a flight back from Carolina after that and they had to be ready for a game probably less then 15 hours from when they finally got home.

Yes it was a rough game but it was a good effort considering the circumstances.

 

[glenwo2]

Whether or not it was fair, Pete probably also got ripped by fans because the Devils were so awful last season. It's hard to be a bottom feeder and then listen to Pete talking about tough buildings and bad bounces after almost every loss. Hynes is still seen as getting this team to overachieve overall (and he normally varies his press conference comments more), so I think he gets more leeway from fans. At least he gets more leeway from me right now.

Pete would always annoy us with his post-game canned-statement of "Tough Building" after every single loss.


Thank god that's over and the Sharks have to deal with it.

 

[ForeverJerseyGirl]

Pete would always annoy us with his post-game canned-statement of "Tough Building" after every single loss.


Thank god that's over and the Sharks have to deal with it.

Poor Bleedred still has to hear it after every loss.

 

[JimEIV]

That was a tough game for me to watch. The Devils were run out of the building. I used to laugh watching the highly skilled Penguins Broad Street Bullied... not so much fun when its my team.

 

[NJDevs26]

Poor Bleedred still has to hear it after every loss.

lol I doubt he gets the Shark postgames on TV, unless he's enough of a glutton to go to the Sharks' website and listen to them after the fact he probably already has more than enough Pete watching their games as is

 

[Devils Dominion]

They were not bullied.

They have been soft and tentative at home in every game since November 14

No skating legs too.

 

[Devils Dominion]

Seems like anytime we get momentum at home they play that dumb "Woooo" thing, and momentum is lost.

 

[Brooklyndevil]

I personally have no problem if Shero traded Andy Greene at the deadline. We can always grab a UFA vet d-man. He has hit his ceiling, now I can see him transgressing. My goodness was he aweful last night. Time to cash in on certain assets.

 

[Devils Trap]

1 bad game and now we are thinking of trading Andy Greene

Alright, time to take a break from HF

 

[ForeverJerseyGirl]

We're not going to trade our captain at deadline, and we shouldn't want to. Andy is the epitome of a lot of traits we'd want our younger players to develop. In addition, he is a steadying presence for the team in general and for our young defense in particular. He had one bad game, but there is no sign that his overall play is regressing. If Shero moves Andy, he will have made a big mistake in my opinion. Just because Andy's older than thirty, that doesn't mean that he has to be moved.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Did we forget we had no Zajac who like him or not is a key element to the forward group?

That's why he was proud. They fought on a night when they didn't have it and were missing Zajac.

Hynes has taken them to task to the media for games they didn't put a full effort in.

 

[Devils Dominion]

I personally have no problem if Shero traded Andy Greene at the deadline. We can always grab a UFA vet d-man. He has hit his ceiling, now I can see him transgressing. My goodness was he aweful last night. Time to cash in on certain assets.

No way.

Greene was putrid last night but he's been solid this season and is a veteran and experienced leader of the blue line.

He's one of the most important players on the roster.

 

[NJDevs26]

Again with this idea you can grab a vet d-man...yeah sure you can get a Rob Scuderi type but guys that play 25 minutes in all situations don't grow on trees. Clearly this staff does not trust anyone else to do so just yet, as evidenced by Moore being the #3 d-man. Not to mention if one of them ever hit FA they'd cost like $2-3 million more per year than Andy does. In addition to being important for this team he's one of the most cost-effective players in the league, you don't find guys like him over 25 years old making $5 million.

 

[Zippy316]

I personally have no problem if Shero traded Andy Greene at the deadline. We can always grab a UFA vet d-man. He has hit his ceiling, now I can see him transgressing. My goodness was he aweful last night. Time to cash in on certain assets.

I hate this logic.

You don't just send off veterans and replace them willy-nilly. This isn't a video game. The consistency guys like Greene, Cammalleri, Zajac bring not just with their play but their leadership and in the locker room is something that can't be replicated. Trading Greene and adding some veteran UFA D doesn't mean that guy slides right into Greene's role on the team and in the locker room. Those spots are earned by those players over time for their contributions to the team.

Trading guys like that mid-season sends terrible messages and it usually only happens in extreme cases when teams/players need to move on -- see Langenbrunner. That also had a huge effect on Parise as well. Trading guys like Stempniak, Schlemko, Tlusty, etc. is way, way, way different then trading Greene, Zajac, Cammalleri, or Elias.

 

[Bleedred]

Tom's comment about level headed fans (or whatever phrase he used) acknowledge Pete had an inferior roster but did some good things, rubbed me the wrong way.

Is he implying that Pete did good things with the inferior roster? Or about 2011-2012? I don't see what good things he did with the inferior lineups, of course the advanced stats people would argue being a great possession team with the inferior roster was "doing good things".

Wasn't it Gullitti that Pete told he should maybe apply for a coaching job when he called him out on the three blown leads with the extra attacker in a row? And got rude with him when he told him that Crosby told him that Pittsburgh practices the shootout? I know Randy J Miller was calling him out in the short two or three months he covered the team.

Not exactly Torts and Brooksie type stuff I guess.

 

[Zippy316]

Tom's comment about level headed fans (or whatever phrase he used) acknowledge Pete had an inferior roster but did some good things, rubbed me the wrong way.

Is he implying that Pete did good things with the inferior roster? Or about 2011-2012? I don't see what good things he did with the inferior lineups, of course the advanced stats people would argue being a great possession team with the inferior roster was "doing good things".

Wasn't it Gullitti that Pete told he should maybe apply for a coaching job when he called him out on the three blown leads with the extra attacker in a row? And got rude with him when he told him that Crosby told him that Pittsburgh practices the shootout? I know Randy J Miller was calling him out in the short two or three months he covered the team.

Not exactly Torts and Brooksie type stuff I guess.

I feel like a lot of people aren't able to see past last years' DeBoer.

Last year was a complete and utter disaster, no other way to describe it. The roster was terrible, the effort was terrible, DeBoer seemingly lost everything he did well earlier.

However, the 2012-13 and 2013-14 campaigns, we did not have good rosters, yet DeBoer somehow managed to get the team to play well every night. We outplayed teams for the most part and we were in just about every game. Hedberg's awful 10 game stretch -- which is partially DeBoer's fault there too -- cost us the playoffs in the lockout shortened season and our terrible display in the shootout cost us a playoff spot the following year. Judge solely off of the play of the team, DeBoer had the team playing very well, which was verified by all the advanced stats.

Yes, he was prone to stupid decisions at times, we blew leads left and right under DeBoer, but you can't deny that his system kept us a competitive team, when the roster was not anything to be proud of. That's where the DeBoer supporters come in. It was time to move on from DeBoer don't get me wrong, but he was, in fact, a good coach. His job as a coach was to win, which is much, much different then Hynes expectations now where he was brought in partially in a developmental role.