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WarriorofTime

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SK94 said:
While Jake Walman is still thinking about who he would play for.:laugh:
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If I recall, he was going to play for USA at a World Juniors and Canada raised a big stink about it with the IIHF with the usual "THEY'RE STEALING OUR BOYS" gripes, and since Canada effectively is IIHF, they didn't let Walman play, so he just say out because Canada cut him after being the ones to make a big stink about how he has to play for them.

The Walman Ruling made no sense.

Acquiring a new national eligibility (The ‘two-year’ case)
When a player has changed his citizenship or has acquired another citizenship and wants to participate for the first time in an IIHF competition representing his new country he must:

  • Prove that he has participated for at least two consecutive hockey seasons and 16 consecutive months (480 days) in the national competitions of his new country after his 10th birthday during which period he has neither transferred to another country nor played ice hockey within any other country. Female players need to have participated on a consistent basis for at least one hockey season and have been member of the new national association for at least 12 consecutive months during that period.

They said he hadn't completed 2 seasons... but where does the rule say anything about "completed" seasons? If it was the IIHF World Championships they would have said, yes that's fine, it's a completed season. But instead they said because the 2015-16 season was ongoing that means he hadn't "participated for at least two consecutive seasons".. but that's nonsense. He had already "participated" in the season. If he never played another game that season, he would have "participated" in it because he already had.
 
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I agree with you. There is also much less time to make a decision, which can be difficult after a disappointment. Sometimes you see that some European players have said that they are avalable if they are eliminated. In many ways, I don't like this either, because everyone has to be fully focused to succeed in the playoffs. That's what they get paid for.

I wrote about this earlier in this thread. USA Hockey should make a policy that the team is made up of players who don't make the playoffs. Commitment is also expected from them. If you make it to the playoffs, you don't have to think about this tournament.
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Well in Europe this tournament has way more significance, in fact it’s the most important hockey event in Europe, or most important tournament of the year in general in sports for some European countries. Most teams are assembled throughout the year and there’s more pressure from public and media about who goes and who does not.

However, I believe most players playing in NHL are still fully concentrated on winning the Cup.
 
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Quietly send out a request to about 75 players and ask if they'd like to be a participant in the national program. Inform them that being a part of the national program involves a multi-year commitment that includes participation in the IIHF World Championship if their team is not in the Stanley Cup Playoffs, if asked, unless otherwise excused due to injury or other circumstances. If a player wishes to withdraw from the program, that is their choice but they will be removed from national team consideration. Add in new players to the program as necessary over time.
 

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WarriorofTime said:
  • Prove that he has participated for at least two consecutive hockey seasons and 16 consecutive months (480 days) in the national competitions of his new country after his 10th birthday during which period he has neither transferred to another country nor played ice hockey within any other country. Female players need to have participated on a consistent basis for at least one hockey season and have been member of the new national association for at least 12 consecutive months during that period.
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I demand equality!

WarriorofTime said:
If I recall, he was going to play for USA at a World Juniors and Canada raised a big stink about it with the IIHF with the usual "THEY'RE STEALING OUR BOYS" gripes, and since Canada effectively is IIHF, they didn't let Walman play, so he just say out because Canada cut him after being the ones to make a big stink about how he has to play for them.

The Walman Ruling made no sense.
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You are right about this. However, the comment was a reference to last year when he couldn't decide between the USA and Canada and then he did not go with either.
 
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That's a very nice looking roster. Good for the tournament as a whole to have at least one notably strong team for everyone else to take a shot at.

WarriorofTime said:
If I recall, he was going to play for USA at a World Juniors and Canada raised a big stink about it with the IIHF with the usual "THEY'RE STEALING OUR BOYS" gripes, and since Canada effectively is IIHF, they didn't let Walman play, so he just say out because Canada cut him after being the ones to make a big stink about how he has to play for them.

The Walman Ruling made no sense.

Acquiring a new national eligibility (The ‘two-year’ case)
When a player has changed his citizenship or has acquired another citizenship and wants to participate for the first time in an IIHF competition representing his new country he must:

  • Prove that he has participated for at least two consecutive hockey seasons and 16 consecutive months (480 days) in the national competitions of his new country after his 10th birthday during which period he has neither transferred to another country nor played ice hockey within any other country. Female players need to have participated on a consistent basis for at least one hockey season and have been member of the new national association for at least 12 consecutive months during that period.

They said he hadn't completed 2 seasons... but where does the rule say anything about "completed" seasons? If it was the IIHF World Championships they would have said, yes that's fine, it's a completed season. But instead they said because the 2015-16 season was ongoing that means he hadn't "participated for at least two consecutive seasons".. but that's nonsense. He had already "participated" in the season. If he never played another game that season, he would have "participated" in it because he already had.
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What a moronic post. The rule was followed as written and worked exactly as intended. USA Hockey made the same mistake just a few years later and had the exact same result. The narrative you invented is especially funny since Walman got injured before the Canadian WJC camp (he wsn't cut) and also because he went to the Canadian iihf world championship camp just last year but had to pull out due to injury during a practice. All that said it would be hilarious if he suddenly showed up for USA to play for the loaded team this year. At least now he meets the criteria now.

SK94 said:
I demand equality!



You are right about this. However, the comment was a reference to last year when he couldn't decide between the USA and Canada and then he did not go with either.
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The poster is quite literally wrong actually, as are you since he showed up to play for Canada last year. But again, it would be hilarious if Walman came out for USA this year in a marginal role. He's been pretty openly mercenary in his approach.
 
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What a moronic post. The rule was followed as written and worked exactly as intended.
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LOL no it wasn't. They arbitrarily decided the rule wasn't the rule and made up a different rule that makes no logical sense. Reeks of corruption and cronyism.
 
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Some say this is maybe the best usa roster ever but how about the 2019 World championship team it was pretty stacked with Eichel,Kane,Gaudreau,Werenski,Kreider,Larkin and some players like Jack,Quinn Hughes who of course weren‘t the players they are now but this team seems to have a lot of players that would‘ve been on a USA best on best roster IMO back then. What do you guys think?
 
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Kuracmugger said:
Some say this is maybe the best usa roster ever but how about the 2019 World championship team it was pretty stacked with Eichel,Kane,Gaudreau,Werenski,Kreider,Larkin and some players like Jack,Quinn Hughes who of course weren‘t the players they are now but this team seems to have a lot of players that would‘ve been on a USA best on best roster IMO back then. What do you guys think?
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Overall it is on point if not even better with the balance we have with our defense. The defense we are bringing so far is better than anything I can recall prior. Goaltending is still a question but we will at the very least be serviceable in net to win.

Only thing missing is that Kane level player from this squad but my hopes are we're able to land a couple more studs from 1st round eliminations. If Vancouver doesn't go 7, really want Quinn here to play with his bro. And would love JRob to cement his status as a lock if Dallas gets bounced.
 
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