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Who do you want at #5?

  • Tij Iginla

    Votes: 157 49.2%
  • Cole Eiserman

    Votes: 10 3.1%
  • Berkly Catton

    Votes: 70 21.9%
  • Konsta Helenius

    Votes: 11 3.4%
  • Beckett Sennecke

    Votes: 54 16.9%
  • Zayne Parekh

    Votes: 17 5.3%

  • Total voters
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Estimated_Prophet

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I've been disappointed with Iginla's U18 up to now. I find his game to be very individualistic. I like that he is fearless, constantly driving to the net, but I think that he suffers from tunnel vision a bit.

His style is not one that translates well to the pros.

I do have to admit that I had not seem any of his play in the Dub, and you can't deny his numbers during the season, I just was hoping to see more impressive play now.

And boy oh boy, the crop of Canada's d-men make me lose my lunch!! They are all low IQ, zero offense. Apart from Mews, they all handle the puck as if it was a live grenade. It is the Achilles heel of this team.

This version is also being carried by its under agers. The draft eligibles have all been very meeehhh, IMHUO.

You are putting far too much stock into a tournament that has proven to be meaningless for countless NHLers who went on to have great careers despite poor showings at the U18's.

This is a team of randoms who are thrown together and often look individualistic and struggle to find chemistry/cohesion. Look for skating ability, puck skill and work ethic......just relax and enjoy the games, this is not where real scouting takes place.

Considering that he is one of the best forwards in this draft at coming off of the wall and winning puck battles I would say that his game is built for the pros.....this tournament has very little in common with the pro game.
 

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- Before his injury, it was Lindstrom but then injury again and no U18s calmed the hype train
I think there was some cooling (or questioning) before that on Lindstrom around mid-season and the lack of play since isn't helping. Questions about his IQ and his playmaking remains. But he's big, heavy, can skate, can score and plays center...and NHL scouts love the format, fans too.
 
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BoneHutson

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OK now read back what you just wrote from a Minnesota or St Louis perspective.

Why are they passing over Iginla in favor of Barron and a 25th?


That's incorrect in every way possible.
Because they both could use a young offensive RHD… Plus they could also draft a guy like Mews or Jiricek with WPGs first. In 2022, ARZ moved up from late in the first to 11th OA with SJ for 2x2nds… Why would SJ have done that? Well, they did it. Why wouldnt MIN or STL do it?
 

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You are putting far too much stock into a tournament that has proven to be meaningless for countless NHLers who went on to have great careers despite poor showings at the U18's.

This is a team of randoms who are thrown together and often look individualistic and struggle to find chemistry/cohesion. Look for skating ability, puck skill and work ethic......just relax and enjoy the games, this is not where real scouting takes place.

Considering that he is one of the best forwards in this draft at coming off of the wall and winning puck battles I would say that his game is built for the pros.....this tournament has very little in common with the pro game.
The American team is the USNTDP team, pretty much to the last player but I get your point about Canada.
 
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I think there was some cooling (or questioning) before that on Lindstrom around mid-season and the lack of play since isn't helping. Questions about his IQ and his playmaking remains. But he's big, heavy, can skate, can score and plays center...and NHL scouts love the format, fans too.
But the danger about these traits of his is that you could be describing a 2C or a 3C. Doesn't mean he has the potential of a true and elite 1C.
 

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Hello everyone, I often read this forum and consult different sources on my own, I'm a draft junky and I discuss it almost daily with a friend. For this list, I looked more at the evaluations and matches of the players in tier4 since the chances are that the Canadian will draft one of these players unless they win the lottery. There will be more explanations for these players.

Here is my list of attackers which is intended to be as objective as possible.

1- Celebrini (Tier 1)

It's a no brainer to me and pretty much everyone else in the community, so I won't waste much time here. Will make the jump next year.

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2- Demidov (Tier 2)

Best foward available after Celebrini by a significant margin. I don't think he's going to wait much compared to Michkov last year given his style of play which is more transferable to the NHL. Tendency to slow down the game like Kucherov.

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3- Lindstrom (Tier 3)

Assuming the injury rumors aren't too serious, he should be the 3rd forward called up. The combo of size, speed and grit will mean that he will go very high. I have questions about his hockey IQ, but even if he becomes a winger (might have difficulty feeding his wingers), he will have a guaranteed spot in the top 6 given his attributes.

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4- Sennecke (Tier 4)

Probably one of my hot takes who hasn't been one for a few days, but he has everything you need in a 1st line winger: Speed, good size, excellent hands & good hockey IQ. The combination of these attributes is superior to the rest of Tier 4, with other players having more red flags. Stylistically I see a mix of Bobby Ryan / T.J. Oshie with better skating/better vision.

5- Helenius (Tier 4)

One of the most underrated players in the draft since he's not flashy, but he does all the little things very well. Probably the best hockey IQ in the draft, often an overlooked aspect in evaluating a player. The player has the same criticism as Suzuki in his draft, that's my comparison.

6- Eiserman (Tier 4)

Along with Catton, he is one of the most polarizing players in the draft in my opinion. He has an elite attribute and it is easy to determine that he will be at least a power play specialist. Good skating, he will never be a defensive ace. I see a Kyle Connor in this player. I see him being drafted by a team further along in its rebuilding process (Ottawa, New Jersey, Calgary), since the risk is high and he will need to be well surrounded offensively.

7- Iginla (Tier 4)

He disappointed me slightly at U18, I expected him to stand out more and be more dominant, especially for a player projected as high as him. This tells me that he will not be a ''Play Driver'' at the next level, but more of a complementary player in a top 6 that you can change lines according to affinities. I see him as a Sam Bennett with less grit and more skills.

8- Catton (Tier 4)

Ranking him that high won't be popular here, since many fans want a player who produces a lot of points. However, he counts the majority of his goals/points on the rush in junior. With a better defensive structure of the teams when he turns pro, I think he will have difficulty making the pro transition. Furthermore, I don't see him reaching his full potential in a team like the Canadiens because we already have several small players (under 6 feet). I compare him to Terevainen in terms of style.

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Tier 5

9- Brandsegg-Nygard

10- Greentree

11-Connelly

12- Hage

13- Basha

14- Chernyshov

15- Hemming
Wish you did scouting report of 5 players or so we may take with Jets pick. You do good work
 

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Outside of Celebrini and Demidov, I haven't seen any forwards in this draft being projected as more than a middle 6.

There are plenty of forwards with top six projection and potential 1st line upside. Demidov and Celebrini may be the only two that people want to directly project as 1st liners (I have serious doubts about Demidov) but I think to suggest that the narrative about Lindstrom, Catton, Iginla, Eichel, Helenius is that they are middle six prospects is definitely a glass half full perspective and is probably a disservice to their actual projections of top six forwards with 1st line upside and 3rd line downside.

Forwards such as Greentree and Sennecke also have the potential to be 1st liners but could very well be 2nd or 3rd liners.

Public scouting forums and services are not the place to derive any deep meaning from their contributors as most have no clue what they are talking about.
 
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We draft Lindstrom, then trade up to snatch one of Greeentree or Sennecke and, we sign Dakota Joshua as a UFA. I can dream no? :)
 
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Lindstrom and Sennecke, I'd be so disappointed.

Give me any of the big 5 defenseman or Helenius/Catton.

I see Zeev Buium and he screams all star defenseman/franchise defenseman over Lindstrom and Sennecke. It's funny how we want to pick a prospect like Lindstrom and Sennecke who aren't projected to become our best player at their position, while Buium would instantly be our best LD.
 

Schooner Guy

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The scouts definitely have a clue. Iginla went from outside the first round to 23rd to 15th to ____?
Senneke in a similar situation I'm not sure of his exact progression but he's certainly on EVERYONE's radar.
At least those who count.
I was talking about posters who think this is just a short hot streak. We're on month 5 of this hot streak.
 

le_sean

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Lindstrom and Sennecke, I'd be so disappointed.

Give me any of the big 5 defenseman or Helenius/Catton.

I see Zeev Buium and he screams all star defenseman/franchise defenseman over Lindstrom and Sennecke. It's funny how we want to pick a prospect like Lindstrom and Sennecke who aren't projected to become our best player at their position, while Buium would instantly be our best LD.
You’re underselling the forwards here.

Plus we have like two good young forwards in the system and 37 good defencemen.
 

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You’re underselling the forwards here.

Plus we have like two good young forwards in the system and 37 good defencemen.
Macklin Celebrini
Ivan Demidov
Konsta Helenius
Berkly Catton

Are the 4 forwards I would consider for the Habs. I think we are overhyping Lindstrom, Sennecke and Iginla. I'm not underselling the forwards, I'm putting the defensemen ahead of the above mentioned 3 forwards. Zeev Buium, Artyom Leshunov both had tremendous impact in the NCAA as rookie defencemen, showing not only progression throuhgout the year but put their skills on display. Next, you have Zayne Parekh who had arguably one of the best rookie defenseman season in OHL history and Carter Yakemchuk did the same for the Hitmen. Sam Dickinson thrived on a London Knights team and displayed a pro style that screams top 3 D floor for sure.

Lindstrom does not deserve the hype he's having because of he did not even play a whole season and displayed flaws that, yes can be worked on, but does not put him above the other defenseman that had better season than him. Iginla is a great prospect, but lacks IQ and seems to be more of a complimentary player than a play driver. And Sennecke is showing signs of a great player, but his evaluation is based on his hot streak in the OHL playoffs, which is more of a projection than a sure thing, I don't think he can be considered in the top 5, not when the other prospects did as much if not more than him.

I don't care if you have 0 good young forwards and 50 good defensemen, at #5, you should go for the most impactful projected player. I think it goes without saying that Cale Makar became the best player of his draft class, despite being a 4th overall pick and defenseman over Hischier, Patrick. No matter what teams had in their prospect pool back in 2017, every team today would pick Makar 1st overall in a redraft. And we should learn from not reaching for "need" with KK over Tkachuk. That's my point.

Same thing as 2012 draft, Tampa got the best player of the draft in Vasilesvkiy. It doesn't matter who we have in our prospect pool right now, in 5 years, we want this top 5-7 pick to be amonsgt the best of his draft class, unrelated to our current pool.
 

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Macklin Celebrini
Ivan Demidov
Konsta Helenius
Berkly Catton

Are the 4 forwards I would consider for the Habs. I think we are overhyping Lindstrom, Sennecke and Iginla. I'm not underselling the forwards, I'm putting the defensemen ahead of the above mentioned 3 forwards. Zeev Buium, Artyom Leshunov both had tremendous impact in the NCAA as rookie defencemen, showing not only progression throuhgout the year but put their skills on display. Next, you have Zayne Parekh who had arguably one of the best rookie defenseman season in OHL history and Carter Yakemchuk did the same for the Hitmen. Sam Dickinson thrived on a London Knights team and displayed a pro style that screams top 3 D floor for sure.

Lindstrom does not deserve the hype he's having because of he did not even play a whole season and displayed flaws that, yes can be worked on, but does not put him above the other defenseman that had better season than him. Iginla is a great prospect, but lacks IQ and seems to be more of a complimentary player than a play driver. And Sennecke is showing signs of a great player, but his evaluation is based on his hot streak in the OHL playoffs, which is more of a projection than a sure thing, I don't think he can be considered in the top 5, not when the other prospects did as much if not more than him.

I don't care if you have 0 good young forwards and 50 good defensemen, at #5, you should go for the most impactful projected player. I think it goes without saying that Cale Makar became the best player of his draft class, despite being a 4th overall pick and defenseman over Hischier, Patrick. No matter what teams had in their prospect pool back in 2017, every team today would pick Makar 1st overall in a redraft. And we should learn from not reaching for "need" with KK over Tkachuk. That's my point.

Same thing as 2012 draft, Tampa got the best player of the draft in Vasilesvkiy. It doesn't matter who we have in our prospect pool right now, in 5 years, we want this top 5-7 pick to be amonsgt the best of his draft class, unrelated to our current pool.
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You’re not winning a single thing if those are the best forwards coming up.
 

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You’re not winning a single thing if those are the best forwards coming up.
But the thing is that the group you mentioned weren't drafted to be the best forwards. All middle or bottom 6 players. And, I'm looking at our current lineup and we have: Slaf, Suzuki, Caufield and Dach as 4 out of our top 6 as core offensive/talented players.

I can do the same with Barron, Harris, Struble, Mailloux. Reinbacher and Hutson are the only ones with high potential but they're not sure thing to be elite defenseman in the league. Looking at our current lineup, we have: Guhle...and that's it. Nobody else is worth being true core top 2-4 defensemen.

I'm looking at Zeev Buium, Artyom Leshunov and even Sam Dickinson to already be better projected players than Guhle, and can be on par or better than Reinbacher and Hutson.

Looking at Lindstrom, Sennecke and Iginla, none of those 3 project to be better than Slaf nor Suzuki.
 

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But the thing is that the group you mentioned weren't drafted to be the best forwards. All middle or bottom 6 players. And, I'm looking at our current lineup and we have: Slaf, Suzuki, Caufield and Dach as 4 out of our top 6 as core offensive/talented players.

I can do the same with Barron, Harris, Struble, Mailloux. Reinbacher and Hutson are the only ones with high potential but they're not sure thing to be elite defenseman in the league. Looking at our current lineup, we have: Guhle...and that's it. Nobody else is worth being true core top 2-4 defensemen.

I'm looking at Zeev Buium, Artyom Leshunov and even Sam Dickinson to already be better projected players than Guhle, and can be on par or better than Reinbacher and Hutson.

Looking at Lindstrom, Sennecke and Iginla, none of those 3 project to be better than Slaf nor Suzuki.
Dach’s career high is 38 points. We are really putting our offensive hopes on him?

Guhle, Hutson, Reinbacher all have top 4 potential. So you just need 1 more from the list to make it, or a veteran. It’s not as dire as you make it seem.
 

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You’re not winning a single thing if those are the best forwards coming up.
it ain't great.

i'm all for BPA but i'd rather take a swing at a forward who might project a little less favourably than a D in this draft.
i don't know that there's an 18-20 year old forward out there in the league who is not only better Lindstrom, Iginla, Sennecke or whoever the Habs pick, but also available for an expendable Habs D.
who are we getting for Mailloux or Hutson if we pick Parekh, Levshunov or Buuim?
 
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Dach’s career high is 38 points. We are really putting our offensive hopes on him?

Guhle, Hutson, Reinbacher all have top 4 potential. So you just need 1 more from the list to make it, or a veteran. It’s not as dire as you make it seem.
Dach showed he can be a great 2C, he has size, skills, nastiness, physicality ,dangles, same attributes as Lindstrom but he's injury prone. So getting Lindstrom would give us a 2C.

If we pick Buium or Leshunov, we are getting a #1 LD/RD. I take a #1D over a 2nd line C/W anyday and I'd rather package and trade or sign for a top 6 forward, instead of missing out on a projected franchise defenseman. And, Konsta Helenius is a better projected 2C than Lindstrom.

Defence wins championship. Right now, Charlie McAvoy's impact is better than Marner's. Reinbacher is not our franchise defenseman. Hutson needs a sure elite Dmen with him.

Doughty, Pietrangelo, Schenn, Bogosian Karlsson in 2008 all had better careers than Filatov, Boedker, Wilson, Hodgson..
 

le_sean

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Defence wins championship. Right now, Charlie McAvoy's impact is better than Marner's. Reinbacher is not our franchise defenseman. Hutson needs a sure elite Dmen with him.
And Matthew Knies has been more impactful than Morgan Rielly. I don’t buy this argument.

I just don’t think they can pass up the opportunity to pick a really talented forward here. The team stinks offensively.
 

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And Matthew Knies has been more impactful than Morgan Rielly. I don’t buy this argument.

I just don’t think they can pass up the opportunity to pick a really talented forward here. The team stinks offensively.

Well in theory if Rielly had the impact he should have as a #1D they’d have had more success than they have at this point lol
 

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You guys see how valuable Joel Edmundson is in the playoffs still? Silayev is going top 5 without a doubt.
 

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it ain't great.

i'm all for BPA but i'd rather take a swing at a forward who might project a little less favourably than a D in this draft.
i don't know that there's an 18-20 year old forward out there in the league who is not only better Lindstrom, Iginla, Sennecke or whoever the Habs pick, but also available for an expendable Habs D.
who are we getting for Mailloux or Hutson if we pick Parekh, Levshunov or Buuim?
When Nashville put Seth jones on the Market. He was 20 years. They received. ryan Johansen (23 years old). It’s fine to get the BPA, but once you put someone on the market, this is not true you gonna win the trade at 100%
 
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