lilidk
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Physically he's not as strong as Kasper or Larkin and Veleno when they were same age .
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This is total BS and not relevant at all long term. If you actually watch him play the game, he does everything you ask and expect from a center. Kasper and Danielson are both natural centers. The only reason people talk about either playing wing is because they both play the same position, not because one can't handle the center position.
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I would say that you should always value a center in the first.
Honestly, you really shouldn't cross any position off your board at any time. Legitimately talented Cs are probably the most valuable asset in the league. But frankly, if you're looking at the 8th best C when picking at 15OA.
Pick should always, always, always be BPA. Drafting for need is stupid. Drafting for need is how you end up passing on Michael Jordan for Sam Bowie. Want to fill "needs", trade or sign for them. Frankly, if I think the best player where I am drafting is a goalie... like I'm at 15OA this year and there is a guy I truly believe is Dominik Hasek reborn, I'm probably taking him. Now, I'd be going out on a limb in that case and I'd have to verify, but if you're telling me that I can fill, guaranteed, any position for a decade with a pick, I'm doing so.
Goalies don't go for that value, because it is the most high variance position there is... but the idea is that talent should trump need 100% of the time in drafts.
Have never watched him play aside from highlights, but Yegor Surin is starting to show up in first-round speculation. He's been mentioned a few times in this thread as a possible second-round pick or someone to trade up for. A good scouting service, Draftin Europe, recently ranked him 7th OA among Euro prospects, behind another rarely mentioned Draft possibility, C Lucas Pettersson, at 5, MBN at 6; higher than fellow Russian RW Chernyshov, who I like and has been in some top 20 rankings. C Helenius, a more likely Draft target for the Wings and a possibility to drop from where rankings have him, is ranked No. 2 behind Demidov.
Surin, from scouting reports on him, sounds like Kasper. Natural center, strong and agile on his skates, same size, lots of physicality. His MHL team is good and rolls over a lot of teams, and his numbers are very good, second among U18 MHL players. One scouting report basically describes him as a boss on the ice, lots of skill, lots of attitude, arrogant in a good way. He's not listed among top 20 OA prospects in any ranking I've seen, but there seems to be a little bit of a buzz around him, as guys who follow the draft more closely than I do probably already know.
Surin, from scouting reports on him, sounds like Kasper. Natural center, strong and agile on his skates, same size, lots of physicality. His MHL team is good and rolls over a lot of teams, and his numbers are very good, second among U18 MHL players. One scouting report basically describes him as a boss on the ice, lots of skill, lots of attitude, arrogant in a good way. He's not listed among top 20 OA prospects in any ranking I've seen, but there seems to be a little bit of a buzz around him, as guys who follow the draft more closely than I do probably already know.
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It's easy to watch him , it's an You tube . To me his game similar to Sennecke or Sawchyn from last draft, but MHL not as good as OHL, so it's hard to compare.
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Given my post has come to fruition, the next phase is a LOCK! The Wings will move up to #5. OK, at least to #10. I have already listed out the two big wingers they desperately need. At 15, I think that is what they do.
At 15, Greentree. Lotto luck and they move up to to 9 or 10..... Michael Hage
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At 15, Greentree. Lotto luck and they move up to to 9 or 10..... Michael Hage
Yzerman: Playoffs not a priority
These kind of comments are what really have me questioning the Yzerplan. It's year 5 - the playoffs need to be the bare minimum expectation at this point. Suppose Detroit doesn't make the playoffs this year without some bizarre occurrences of multiple injuries and the minimum point total to get...
Hage will probably be available at 15.Given my post has come to fruition, the next phase is a LOCK! The Wings will move up to #5. OK, at least to #10. I have already listed out the two big wingers they desperately need. At 15, I think that is what they do.
At 15, Greentree. Lotto luck and they move up to to 9 or 10..... Michael Hage
Yzerman: Playoffs not a priority
These kind of comments are what really have me questioning the Yzerplan. It's year 5 - the playoffs need to be the bare minimum expectation at this point. Suppose Detroit doesn't make the playoffs this year without some bizarre occurrences of multiple injuries and the minimum point total to get...
I say we stay at 15 and select . . . James Hagens. Sure, he's a 2025 draft eligible guy. But Vancouver drafted Pavel Bure when he wasn't supposed to be draft eligible and it worked. So that's my plan in a nutshell.
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I've seen Basha and Yak play since they were kids. Yak not the brightest but he has some physical tools and will probably be a monster. Always been a fan of Basha as a well rounded hockey player. I would be ok with either of them, though either would require some draft board manoeuvring.
An Yzerman pick would be Connelly, who I think could be good risk/reward to trade down for.
If Eiserman falls to us and we take the risk and draft him, we better go buy Trevor Zegras to give him the best chance for success.
An Yzerman pick would be Connelly, who I think could be good risk/reward to trade down for.
If Eiserman falls to us and we take the risk and draft him, we better go buy Trevor Zegras to give him the best chance for success.
For those who put some time into evaluating 2018 Draft prospects, how similar is Eiserman to Owen Wahlstrom at that time? Try not to let the fact Wahlstrom might now be available for peanuts if not on waivers influence the comparison.
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I do always question when a player moves up going into the draft. He was a low 1st, high 2nd at one point.
A full season of hockey for a 17 or 18-year-old is a TON of development time. Players change a lot at those ages.
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The fast risers at the draft usually turn out good. The fallers are the guys you have to worry about.
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Yeah Oliver! Thanks for the correction. I thought Wahlstrom had this good reputation for being a scorer and the few times I saw him with the Isles, he could certainly rip it. Nothing wrong with his skating and a good size too. I remember liking Farabee a lot that year, otherwise creeping senility draws a blank.
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Once all the ‘talking heads’ start spitting out their rankings and mocks things usually pick up. We haven’t even had the combine yet.
Right now it’s just central scouting final rankings. And that list is group think.
When you’re picking outside the top ten (1st time in a long while) it’s also much tougher to anticipate what exactly will be available.
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Didn’t work for Ovechkin though.
Someone tried that in the late rounds in 2003 a year before he was eligible. Can’t remember who.
Edit; it was Florida.
How The Florida Panthers Schemed To Draft Alex Ovechkin in 2003
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Should be in no draft note. USaA is a better team , but they have Connelly.
I also don't want Greentree
I was having trouble picking anyone other than Nygaard in the first. Still am. Now I’m stuck on Surin in the second. Hope they are available
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I see Zayne Parekh as a polarizing prospect in this draft.
Someone could take him top 5 because his offensive abilities and production are off the charts. But I also wouldn’t bat an eye if Parekh Slides out of the top 25 towards the end of the 1st round.
I’d compare him to Tony DeAngelo in some ways. The Massive gifts offensively are tantalizing…. But can be a mess defensively. And plays like a headcase with zero discipline.
Someone could take him top 5 because his offensive abilities and production are off the charts. But I also wouldn’t bat an eye if Parekh Slides out of the top 25 towards the end of the 1st round.
I’d compare him to Tony DeAngelo in some ways. The Massive gifts offensively are tantalizing…. But can be a mess defensively. And plays like a headcase with zero discipline.
I remember the Ovechkin story and believed it had no merit; it was tied to the orthodox calendar, I believe. But the much bigger issue with the bure pick was that detroit tried to draft him a round earlier, or so I'm lead to believe. As I remember it, we asked "hey can we draft this kid? We think he's eligible." The nhl said no. And a round or 2 later Vancouver didn't ask and just drafted him, and so it stood. Further proof that it's always easier to ask for forgivenes, rather then permission. Just imagine sergie and pavel together, like in juniors!!! I mean before the Kournikova stuff of course.
