Speculation: 2023-24 Free Agency/Trade Thread II

[robbieboy3686]

Cutter was on the PK in the semifinal game yesterday.

Cutter is the real deal.

 

[duxfan1101]

Friedman mentioned on his podcast that if the Coyotes move to Salt Lake, then they will be big spenders in free agency. They have a ton of space and have 0 NHL defensemen signed beyond this season. They will no doubt be a team that we have to compete with for some of the better RHD. They will probably overpay to get a couple of guys they want.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Friedman mentioned on his podcast that if the Coyotes move to Salt Lake, then they will be big spenders in free agency. They have a ton of space and have 0 NHL defensemen signed beyond this season. They will no doubt be a team that we have to compete with for some of the better RHD. They will probably overpay to get a couple of guys they want.

Maybe... players may be hesitant to go to SLC/Arizona, until they show a little stability.

 

[robbieboy3686]

Maybe... players may be hesitant to go to SLC/Arizona, until they show a little stability.

This. Players aren’t dumb, they see the talent we have and the fact we’re about to come out of a rebuild. The kind of player who simply chooses “ Salt Lake City “ team to save more money but to be on a bad team more time, is a player I don’t want anyways

 

[tomd]

This. Players aren’t dumb, they see the talent we have and the fact we’re about to come out of a rebuild. The kind of player who simply chooses “ Salt Lake City “ team to save more money but to be on a bad team more time, is a player I don’t want anyways

Oddly, the Ducks have been looking up at Arizona/SLC in the standings for the past two years. Hard to make the case that SLC wouldn't be a good player destination given that they are an obviously up and coming team just like the Ducks are. Factor in taxes and cost of living and I don't think Anaheim is a slam dunk over SLC.

 

[DavidBL]

Oddly, the Ducks have been looking up at Arizona/SLC in the standings for the past two years. Hard to make the case that SLC wouldn't be a good player destination given that they are an obviously up and coming team just like the Ducks are. Factor in taxes and cost of living and I don't think Anaheim is a slam dunk over SLC.

But then you have the weather.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

But then you have the weather.

Maybe they can afford to buy a second home in the OC with all that savings in taxes and cost of living over the term of the contract? Then have a property mgmt run it during hockey season as a air BNB.

 

[duxfan1101]

One under-the-radar UFA target that could be of interest to us is Teddy Blueger as our 4C (can fill in at 3C, too). He is good at faceoffs, plays a ton of PK, and shouldn't be too expensive. I like Lundestrom and I don't mind keeping him another year, but he is terrible at draws and I don't trust him being out there for d-zone starts against good opponents.

As we've seen recently, we are terrible at faceoffs. Carlsson, Zegras, and Lundestrom are all pretty poor at them (Lundestrom, in particular, needs to get better at this if he wants to be a useful NHL player on a good team). McTavish has a good percentage, however, I have noticed he gets kicked out of draws quite a bit, which might inflate his percentage. Henrique could be another UFA target that could help with faceoffs.

Kevin Stenlund is definitely another 4C option. He won’t provide as much offense as Blueger, but he’s bigger and is right handed, which would be useful. He’s also another pretty good faceoff guy. He also wouldn’t cost nearly as much as Blueger.

 

[Nevins]

No. Verbeek didn't need to blow up the team, he chose to do it. But I digress and you're deflecting from the actual argument. Here's you're OP that I responded to:



Why do we need to overpay someone this off-season?

That point of my post was identifying how many unknowns and unestablished youths we have on the team today and the near future. Last year was a development year with non-pros and McTavish was the only rookie. This year, the development was at the NHL and AHL levels with our prospects. Next year is another development season with two rookies on the blueline in Luneau and, probably, Zellweger. We're going to have another huge influx of prospects in the AHL as well next year.

We wait a year to see which youths stick, step, stagnate, or regress at the NHL and AHL levels. The front office should have a much better feel in year two of the mass development at the NHL and AHL levels, which is Year 3 of the Verbeekining. Also, we could have youths and prospects improve their games to where we can use one or more as trade bait for a more established player in our top-6F or top-4D.

• 2022-23, Verbeeking Year 1
  • NHL Level
    • Rookies, Full-Time (1): C McTavish
    • Rookies, Partial-Time(2): G Dostal, LW Regenda
  • AHL Level:
    • Rookies: LW Regenda

• 2023-24, Verbeeking Year 2
  • NHL Level
    • Year 2 (1): C McTavish
    • Rookies, Full-time (5): G Dostal, C Carlsson, LD Minty, LD LaCombe, C Groulx
    • Rookies, Partial-time (2): RD Luneau, LD Zellweger
  • AHL Level:
    • Rookies (9): LW Nesterenko, LD Zellweger, LD Hinds, C Gaucher, LW Pastujov, RW Weibe, RW Caulfield, G Clang, C King (no ELC)

• 2023-24, Verbeeking Year 3
  • NHL Level
    • Year 3 (1): C McTavish
    • Year 2 (4): G Dostal, C Carlsson, LD Minty, LD LaCombe
    • Rookies, Full-time (4): RD Luneau, LD Zellweger, LW Cutter, 2024 top-5 pick
    • Rookies, Partial-time (n/a): ?
  • AHL Level:
    • Rookies (6): RD Warren, LW Sidorov (?), LD Dionicio (?), LW Myatovic (?), RW Colangelo (?), C/LW Hvidston (?)

NHL potential top-9, Vebeekening Year 3

Cutter-Carlsson-Terry​

Z-McTavish-Killorn​

Vatrano-xxx-Strome​

NHL potential Blueline, Verbeekening Year 3

Fowler-Luneau​

Minty-Gudas​

LaCombe-Zell​

Vaak​

Interesting post.

 

[Static]

 

[MMC]

He is the only one for us btw

 

[mightyquack]

Probably the only time Ben Meyers will be in a list headlined by the word 'notable'.

 

[Static]

Really like josh Dakota's game. Top 10 in hits, 18 goals, heavy game. Probably going to get overpaid in FA, though. He's what we hoped max would be.

His name is Dakota Joshua. I started the post calling him Dakota Johnson, so I was closer.

 

[tomd]

Really like josh Dakota's game. Top 10 in hits, 18 goals, heavy game. Probably going to get overpaid in FA, though. He's what we hoped max would be.

His name is Dakota Joshua. I started the post calling him Dakota Johnson, so I was closer.

Legit candidate for the most improved player in the league over the last 2-3 years.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Really like josh Dakota's game. Top 10 in hits, 18 goals, heavy game. Probably going to get overpaid in FA, though. He's what we hoped max would be.

His name is Dakota Joshua. I started the post calling him Dakota Johnson, so I was closer.

Nick Paul was around the same age and trajectory/player type when he signed a 7 year deal at $3.15M a couple years ago. I think that may be a decent contract comparable.

 

[robbieboy3686]

Really like josh Dakota's game. Top 10 in hits, 18 goals, heavy game. Probably going to get overpaid in FA, though. He's what we hoped max would be.

His name is Dakota Joshua. I started the post calling him Dakota Johnson, so I was closer.

Exactly the type of dude we need.

 

[Gliff]

Exactly the type of dude we need.

-All 32 teams

Seriously though, obviously he would be a great add but he would require overpayment and I dont think it is worth overpaying for a bottom 6 player when we may have to overpay for top of the lineup guys.

 

[DuckDuckGetz]

Probably the only time Ben Meyers will be in a list headlined by the word 'notable'.

Legitimately had to read through the list 2-3 times to figure out who from our team was on it

 

[McDonald19]

Probably the only time Ben Meyers will be in a list headlined by the word 'notable'.

What a strange trade. Could have just grabbed a depth player off waivers.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Nick Paul was around the same age and trajectory/player type when he signed a 7 year deal at $3.15M a couple years ago. I think that may be a decent contract comparable.

Somehow I can't see PV giving out a 7 year deal to a bottom 6 guy at any price or age.

 

[robbieboy3686]

-All 32 teams

Seriously though, obviously he would be a great add but he would require overpayment and I dont think it is worth overpaying for a bottom 6 player when we may have to overpay for top of the lineup guys.

Of those 32 teams 20 can’t afford that type of roster player for a bottom 6 roll. Of the other 12 half of them are rebuilding and won’t pay that kind of money for said roll player.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Or those 32 teams 20 can’t afford that type of roster player for a bottom 6 roll. Of the other 12 half of them are rebuilding and won’t pay that kind of money for said roll player.

What kinda money are you planning to throw at him

 

[DavidBL]

What about Eller or Accari from Pit? Or Stenlund from Florida.

 

[Hamilton Bulldogs]

What about Eller or Accari from Pit? Or Stenlund from Florida.

I like Eller's defensive game and him getting 15 goals this year is promising. I wouldn't mind him unless he's asking for some Strome like contract.

 

[DavidBL]

I like Eller's defensive game and him getting 15 goals this year is promising. I wouldn't mind him unless he's asking for some Strome like contract.

Eller is signed 1 more year.