Blue Jays GDT: 2021 v12 | Next: Thu, Sept 30| vs NYY | 7:00pm ET/4:00pm PT | Kluber vs Ray

[The Nemesis]

we were just on the nose of 1000 posts at the end of the previous game. So time to roll it over.

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[TGB]

Yep. That's how a Rays game tends to go.

 

[tmlms13]

I read a lot of complaining about the Umpire at the end of the last thread. How about instead of complaining how about some stats. FYI the real time ball strike technology isn't there yet...... I also think people will be shocked to see some of the pitches that are actually strikes. Especially curveballs at the bottom of the zone.



There was one really bad one but that's really it. Overall it was a below average game but nothing shockingly bad.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

I read a lot of complaining about the Umpire at the end of the last thread. How about instead of complaining how about some stats. FYI the real time ball strike technology isn't there yet...... I also think people will be shocked to see some of the pitches that are actually strikes. Especially curveballs at the bottom of the zone.



There was one really bad one but that's really it. Overall it was a below average game but nothing shockingly bad.

+1.93 runs for Tampa in a game where they lost by 2 runs seems pretty bad

 

[TheBeastCoast]

I read a lot of complaining about the Umpire at the end of the last thread. How about instead of complaining how about some stats. FYI the real time ball strike technology isn't there yet...... I also think people will be shocked to see some of the pitches that are actually strikes. Especially curveballs at the bottom of the zone.



There was one really bad one but that's really it. Overall it was a below average game but nothing shockingly bad.

I mean that strike 2 on Valera was f***ing atrocious. That doesn't paint the picture of an umpire that had a good game, it pretty much lined up with what I watched live. Kulpa is one of the worst umpires in the entire league and he is a f***ing asshole to boot.



He is my pick for worst Umpire in MLB and honestly it is a stacked ballot.

 

[leafsfan2point0]

Why does it seem like every time I see one of the umpire stat sheets they always favour the other team lol

 

[tmlms13]

Why does it seem like every time I see one of the umpire stat sheets they always favour the other team lol

Jays are -2.69 run differential this year. 18th in MLB. So basically middle of the back.
Umpire Scorecards | Teams

 

[Eyedea]

I read a lot of complaining about the Umpire at the end of the last thread. How about instead of complaining how about some stats. FYI the real time ball strike technology isn't there yet...... I also think people will be shocked to see some of the pitches that are actually strikes. Especially curveballs at the bottom of the zone.



There was one really bad one but that's really it. Overall it was a below average game but nothing shockingly bad.

Do you not see that pitch way below the strikezone? That was to Teo in the 9th inning. To have that many incorrect calls go against the Jays in the last inning is terrible. All 3 outs that inning had bad strike calls.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Kevin Cash is great at bullpen management. If a reliever is struggling he yanks him immediately. Other managers would have left Robertson for another couple of batters and the game would have been blown.

 

[tmlms13]

Do you not see that pitch way below the strikezone? That was to Teo in the 9th inning. To have that many incorrect calls go against the Jays in the last inning is terrible. All 3 outs that inning had bad strike calls.

Shitty timing for sure, but there were 8 other innings in the game too.

Kulpa is ranked very low relative to the rest of MLB umpires but it's not like he is 50% like I read so much on message boards and twitter. I highly doubt anyone here could do better.

 

[Eyedea]

Shitty timing for sure, but there were 8 other innings in the game too.

Kulpa is ranked very low relative to the rest of MLB umpires but it's not like he is 50% like I read so much on message boards and twitter. I highly doubt anyone here could do better.

Well yeah I haven’t committed any time to umpiring so I’m sure I’m pretty shit at calling a game too, but 90% isn’t 100%. The entire point of these conversations is that umps like Kulpa have too much of an influence on the game. There is video/audio evidence of him talking to Hinch and suggesting that he can do anything he wants (when it comes to gamecalling). That’s just bad business and can affect millions of dollars for owners, players, staff, sports betting, etc etc.

 

[tmlms13]

Well yeah I haven’t committed any time to umpiring so I’m sure I’m pretty shit at calling a game too, but 90% isn’t 100%. The entire point of these conversations is that umps like Kulpa have too much of an influence on the game. There is video/audio evidence of him talking to Hinch and suggesting that he can do anything he wants (when it comes to gamecalling). That’s just bad business and can affect millions of dollars for owners, players, staff, sports betting, etc etc.

You sure you want the robo umps? All these scorecards come in the next day when they can analyze data. Real time still has problems.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Would Jays ever consider moving someone else into the 1 hole and move Springer down? He is definitely not himself, and I think it is going to hurt us soon.

 

[Discoverer]

Shitty timing for sure, but there were 8 other innings in the game too.

Kulpa is ranked very low relative to the rest of MLB umpires but it's not like he is 50% like I read so much on message boards and twitter. I highly doubt anyone here could do better.

Those previous innings only make it worse because he established what he considered to be the strike zone - see those three balls at the top of the zone - and then completely changed his mind.

 

[tmlms13]

Those previous innings only make it worse because he established what he considered to be the strike zone - see those three balls at the top of the zone - and then completely changed his mind.

The game didn't begin in the 9th inning. The Jays had 8 other innings available to score more than 2 runs and not give up 6 runs.

 

[Bjindaho]

I read a lot of complaining about the Umpire at the end of the last thread. How about instead of complaining how about some stats. FYI the real time ball strike technology isn't there yet...... I also think people will be shocked to see some of the pitches that are actually strikes. Especially curveballs at the bottom of the zone.



There was one really bad one but that's really it. Overall it was a below average game but nothing shockingly bad.

Brooks Baseball is pretty quick (with the actual Pitch F/X graphs).

Here are some graphs:

Baz is the established strike zone (Ray's lines up well). The Rays relievers got this strike zone outside of one pitch. Only Saucedo got calls in this strike zone of all Toronto's relievers.

 

[Muston Atthews]

If I was Kiermaier I wouldn’t have given it back either… but the Jays should be beaning him for catching him doing it. They won’t but they should

 

[Eegs]

If I was Kiermaier I wouldn’t have given it back either… but the Jays should be beaning him for catching him doing it. They won’t but they should

Kiermaier is a POS, sure hope they plunk him!

 

[Eyedea]

You sure you want the robo umps? All these scorecards come in the next day when they can analyze data. Real time still has problems.

Obviously the robo umps are still prototypes, but having an established and consistent strike zone is better than having someone choosing what is a strike or a ball because he feels like disciplining a team for being mad at him.

 

[Del Preston]

Get a big lead early so Manoah can plunk Kiermaier.

 

[tmlms13]

Quick last minute change.... Anthony Castro, it's your first career start just need to survive 6 batters. Manoah, you're out of the bullpen today.

 

[Advanced stats]

Kiermaier is gonna get it

 

[The Nemesis]

Go home, Springer you're drunk hurt.

 

[Vector]

Oh good, Joe West is umping.

 

[The Nemesis]

Oh good, Joe West is umping.

Jays fans: "Oh my god, that umpiring last night was the worst"

Joe West: "Hold my beer."