Prospect Info: 2021 HFDevils Prospect Rankings #6
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Fire Ruff and co. !
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Someone please vote for Stillman for me, I left my deceased grandfathers ballot at home!
im just kidding lmao. But for real lets get Stillman the win here, even though I can see every argument for Bahl there as he had a steady NHL showing.
But im all about shiny toy syndrome
im just kidding lmao. But for real lets get Stillman the win here, even though I can see every argument for Bahl there as he had a steady NHL showing.
But im all about shiny toy syndrome
DevilDog
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Emperoreddy
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Nope. He is a very good prospect
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Not sure if it’s been said already but are we all voting on where we see these prospects NOW… or are we voting on who we think is going to be the best player?
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Add Moynihan… because Jack would be upset with you all if he wasn’t on the next poll.
Bahl. Add Gritsyuk.
I had him at third and will be disappointed if he is not in the NHL this year.
I had him at third and will be disappointed if he is not in the NHL this year.
RememberTheName
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Bahl is a weird case. He was honestly decent in his short stint in the NHL, but he was simply not good in the AHL. Don't really know how that happened, and because of it, he's a tough guy to get a read on.
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thank you shero
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I don’t see his ceiling as any lower than Bahl or Clarke as far as total on ice impact.
Captain3rdLine
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Bahl should not have this many votes IMO. He had a rough season in AHL followed by a short stint in the NHL where he wasn’t awful but wasn’t good either. There was other young defensemen who were better than him in Binghamton and should be rated very similarly or even slightly better who are getting way less votes(eg Okhotiuk).
Feel like people are a little too excited by the fact that he’s so big was good in the OHL and didn’t fall apart in his short NHL stint. It’s hard to see him being more than a bottom pairing guy. Players like Stillman and Clarke should be ahead.
Add Daws
Feel like people are a little too excited by the fact that he’s so big was good in the OHL and didn’t fall apart in his short NHL stint. It’s hard to see him being more than a bottom pairing guy. Players like Stillman and Clarke should be ahead.
Add Daws
GameSeven
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But are we voting on where we see these prospects NOW… or are we voting on who we think is going to be the best player?
Devils731
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Yes.
It’s however you would choose to value a prospect; so it’s likely some combination of how you view them now and how you think their future will go.
If people solely based the list on how good they thought the players were right now then the list would mostly go in order of age.
GameSeven
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JimEIV
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I vote by first who I think will be a NHL player...2nd, who I think will most likely reach the largest portion of their potential.
I think floors and ceilings are largely bullshit based a pre-draft narratives. I think anybody who has followed those pre-draft profiles for any significant amount of time, have seen how wildly inaccurate they could be.
Pre-draft you have a Adam Larsson as smooth skating 2 way defender with ceiling of Lidstrom...Bullshit --- He didn't miss his "ceiling" the narrative was bullshit from the very beginning.
--- "Pro scouts know more than you bro..."
“He’s much better now than Lidstrom was at the same age,” Tommy Boustedt, the Swedish hockey federation’s national director of development, said in a phone interview from Sweden. “If he hadn’t played for our under-18 team in April he would have played on our men’s national team in May, he’s that good.
“I think he will be, in the end, one of the best defenders our country has ever produced.”
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Scout’s Honor:
I think floors and ceilings are largely bullshit based a pre-draft narratives. I think anybody who has followed those pre-draft profiles for any significant amount of time, have seen how wildly inaccurate they could be.
Pre-draft you have a Adam Larsson as smooth skating 2 way defender with ceiling of Lidstrom...Bullshit --- He didn't miss his "ceiling" the narrative was bullshit from the very beginning.
--- "Pro scouts know more than you bro..."
“He’s much better now than Lidstrom was at the same age,” Tommy Boustedt, the Swedish hockey federation’s national director of development, said in a phone interview from Sweden. “If he hadn’t played for our under-18 team in April he would have played on our men’s national team in May, he’s that good.
“I think he will be, in the end, one of the best defenders our country has ever produced.”
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Scout’s Honor:
“Great tournament,” one scout said of Larsson’s WJC, which was all the more impressive because he was battling through a groin injury. “He stepped up and made himself a factor. He was moving his feet more, just a lot more involved than we had seen him. From the blueline in, he’s a lot more dangerous offensively than (Victor) Hedman at the same age.” (TSN)
One European NHL scout from a Western Conference team told NHL.com that Larsson might be ahead of where Victor Hedman was at the midway point of his draft year two years ago. Hedman was chosen by the Tampa Bay Lightning with the No. 2 pick in 2009.
“Hedman was allowed to do more with his home team in Sweden, so they let him be more active with the puck and try different things,” the scout said. “I think Adam Larsson plays a safer game. I certainly think he has the same potential as Hedman. He’s every bit as good with the puck and he might be a touch tougher. Hedman is a little bigger, but they’re both unbelievably good skaters. I think I would take Larsson over Hedman if I could, based on what I’ve seen the last three years.” (NHL.com)
One European NHL scout from a Western Conference team told NHL.com that Larsson might be ahead of where Victor Hedman was at the midway point of his draft year two years ago. Hedman was chosen by the Tampa Bay Lightning with the No. 2 pick in 2009.
“Hedman was allowed to do more with his home team in Sweden, so they let him be more active with the puck and try different things,” the scout said. “I think Adam Larsson plays a safer game. I certainly think he has the same potential as Hedman. He’s every bit as good with the puck and he might be a touch tougher. Hedman is a little bigger, but they’re both unbelievably good skaters. I think I would take Larsson over Hedman if I could, based on what I’ve seen the last three years.” (NHL.com)
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I see people are still incorrectly voting for prospects other than Graeme Clarke.
Captain3rdLine
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Who we think is going to be the best player. Which is kind of what I’m arguing. I just think some people are overexcited about Bahl all of the sudden and he’s getting way too many votes because he played in the NHL for a bit this year and didn’t shit the bed. He had a bad season before that and if anything his stock as a prospect has gone down IMO. Coming into the season I would’ve hoped for more from him. I don’t think he’s a guy with much more potential than a big third pair dman.
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I struggle to choose Stillman here, if you had me rank 21 draft prospects before the draft I would have had Salminen ahead of Stillman. Now the Devils taking Stillman in the first made me look closer and like what I see but...not THAT much more. Need to see him crush it in the OHL next season before I feel confident Fitz didn't reach big time.
MartyOwns
thank you shero
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why stop there? here's what i said in 2020:i'm sure i said similar things in 2019 and 2018, but i'm too lazy to go back and look. this is like asking a group of 100 people if the weather was warm or hot yesterday, without defining what those terms actually mean.
but i promise i'm never bringing it up again. i give up! upwards and onwards with essentially meaningless conclusions!
