OT: 2018 Football Thread: Camp is (almost) here!!!!!

[RGY]

Cant stand Ereck Flowers. The one place he should be is in camp figuring out how to become a competent player in this league. Instead that POS doesnt even show up. He is hot garbage.

 

[RangerBlues]

How did the giants become a bunch of squealers and snivelers....
geeeezzze

 

[Fvital92]

Barnwell: Should the Giants really draft Saquon Barkley?

Good article.

 

[Machinehead]

Will NFL Teams Ever Get Smarter About Drafting Quarterbacks?

tl;dr - draft Mayfield. Avoid Allen and Rosen.

 

[Fvital92]

Will NFL Teams Ever Get Smarter About Drafting Quarterbacks?

tl;dr - draft Mayfield. Avoid Allen and Rosen.

I really don't like Mayfield, I think he will bust hard, a lesser version of the Manziel disaster.

 

[Machinehead]

I really don't like Mayfield, I think he will bust hard, a lesser version of the Manziel disaster.

He doesn't throw the ball 100 yards in the air, but he rates similarly to QB's who have been extremely successful in the NFL.

 

[Fvital92]

He doesn't throw the ball 100 yards in the air, but he rates similarly to QB's who have been extremely successful in the NFL.

I don't have a problem with his arm, I have a problem with his personality. f*** his swag, he is small, he is not athletic like Russel Wilson and his personality is more similar to Manziel than a Philip Rivers ( who is a guy always fired up).

 

[Machinehead]

I don't have a problem with his arm, I have a problem with his personality. **** his swag, he is small, he is not athletic like Russel Wilson and his personality is more similar to Manziel than a Philip Rivers ( who is a guy always fired up).

I want the best quarterback. Personality comes second.

 

[Fvital92]

I want the best quarterback. Personality comes second.

In the NFL, mainly in the QB position, personality has a say in your on field play. And I think you will be disappointed after draft night, I'm pretty confident we won't draft a QB.

 

[MysticLeviathan]

I just don’t think these QBs are good enough. I’m curious if the Giants will try and trade down. Maybe get Chubb or Nelson.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

I just don’t think these QBs are good enough. I’m curious if the Giants will try and trade down. Maybe get Chubb or Nelson.

Wait. These QBs aren’t good enough? Even though it’s the best overall class since 2004, fine. Your opinion.

Odd to want to target a pure 4-3 DE who really isn’t a scheme fit, though.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Will NFL Teams Ever Get Smarter About Drafting Quarterbacks?

tl;dr - draft Mayfield. Avoid Allen and Rosen.

There’s zero reason to avoid Allen if you don’t have to start him day one.

We have that luxury. As does Cleveland.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Will NFL Teams Ever Get Smarter About Drafting Quarterbacks?

tl;dr - draft Mayfield. Avoid Allen and Rosen.

“Richner’s biggest key, however, is completion percentage, particularly on third down, when passing windows are tightest—and that is where he differs greatly from many NFL evaluators. ”

This is an incredibly dumb way to evaluate college players across different teams, leagues, systems, and teammates. It’s the alleged knock on Rosen and has mostly been laughed at because of how simplistic and foolish it is.

 

[East Coast Bias]

I really don't like Mayfield, I think he will bust hard, a lesser version of the Manziel disaster.

He has nothing in common in Manziel.

 

[Machinehead]

“Richner’s biggest key, however, is completion percentage, particularly on third down, when passing windows are tightest—and that is where he differs greatly from many NFL evaluators. ”

This is an incredibly dumb way to evaluate college players across different teams, leagues, systems, and teammates. It’s the alleged knock on Rosen and has mostly been laughed at because of how simplistic and foolish it is.

Third down analytics have had a good success rate considering how "dumb" they are.

 

[Fvital92]

He has nothing in common in Manziel.

Personality wise? He is pretty similar, but he isn't an alcoholic.

 

[Mac n Gs]

“Richner’s biggest key, however, is completion percentage, particularly on third down, when passing windows are tightest—and that is where he differs greatly from many NFL evaluators. ”

This is an incredibly dumb way to evaluate college players across different teams, leagues, systems, and teammates. It’s the alleged knock on Rosen and has mostly been laughed at because of how simplistic and foolish it is.

That’s so reductive and such awful analysis that it makes my head spin. I don’t dislike Mayfield, but I do think he’s overrated. Some of his reads are just so bad, and if he doesn’t clean that up he’ll get demolished by NFL defenses. Average size and athleticism don’t help either, but I’ll give him credit for being a fun personality

 

[MysticLeviathan]

Wait. These QBs aren’t good enough? Even though it’s the best overall class since 2004, fine. Your opinion.

Odd to want to target a pure 4-3 DE who really isn’t a scheme fit, though.

There are a bunch of guys, but no truly special prospects here. None of these guys are Luck/RG3 or Mariota or Winston or Newton. But there are 4 guys who have a very high bust potential who could be true franchise guys.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Third down analytics have had a good success rate considering how "dumb" they are.

You completely missed the point.

Completion percentage is a dumb way to evaluate in general. It’s why I don’t even use it when I look at a pro player. It’s a nebulous stat that is the equivalent of +/-

 

[Machinehead]

You completely missed the point.

Completion percentage is a dumb way to evaluate in general. It’s why I don’t even use it when I look at a pro player. It’s a nebulous stat that is the equivalent of +/-

It's not really completetion percentage.

It's success rate on different pass types. At worst, it's a way more evolved version.

Clearly, the traditional way we look at quarterbacks has been a systemic failure.

 

[silverfish]

Webb is the real deal. Barkley confirmed.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Avoid Allen like the plague.

Josh Rosen should be the pick for the Jets.

 

[Kovalev27]

BPA is Barkley Giants need to pick Barkley. Shouldn't be too hard.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

It's not really completetion percentage.

It's success rate on different pass types. At worst, it's a way more evolved version.

Clearly, the traditional way we look at quarterbacks has been a systemic failure.

No. It's completion percentage on third downs. It's a ridiculous way to hang a prospect like Rosen on. Considering Rosen's team and schedule, no shit that defenders would be all over his receivers on third downs (his receivers were abhorrent) and no shit his third down completion percentage would dip quite a bit.

There's a reason Jim Mora was fired. It wasn't because of Rosen's third down completion percentage. It was because he was a poor coach and a poor recruiter.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

BPA is Barkley Giants need to pick Barkley. Shouldn't be too hard.

So we are going to take Barkley, make him the second highest paid RB in the league before he ever plays a down, and then go 8-8 the next few years while we have no one to throw the ball (thus wasting OBJ's prime)?

Makes sense.